Delta Connection Flying - 100 Aircraft Reduction

[Metro752]

Mesa was in court with Delturd today if that is any consolation on the 50 seaters.

 

[Raskal]

Before anyone breaks out the champagne waiting for more -900's. Isn't DL maxed out on big RJs? Could it just be.....a reduction and nothing more? No trades?

As I understand it, yes, the 76 seaters are maxed.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

Before anyone breaks out the champagne waiting for more -900's. Isn't DL maxed out on big RJs? Could it just be.....a reduction and nothing more? No trades?

They talked about (I think) two 737-800s coming this year and (I think) six MD-90s. They said they would park (I think) three 757s and quite a few DC-9s. That was about it. 737-800s would replace the few 757s and MD-90s would replace some DC-9s.

No mention of any CRJ-900 on order or any replacement of RJs with any newer RJs plus Delta is maxed out on big RJs.

 

[CX880]

Mesa was in court with Delturd today if that is any consolation on the 50 seaters.

Mesa will never get rid of the ERJs. They are too important. Delta will have to pry it out of JOs cold dead hands. Good luck to Comair and ASA and Chaniqua.

 

[samballs]

The Delta conference call had that 15 Saabs and 35 fifty seat regional jets will leave the fleet this year with 50 regional aircraft leaving the Delta Connection fleet in 2011.

Anderson also said something about having good flexibility in the regional contracts in the next 18-24 months to pull down these aircraft.

He also said that the fifty-seat flying was by far the least profitable flying Delta has.

15 this yr at comair(we don't fly them already) and 5 next yr

 

[LazyLightnin']

The 20 from ASA would count, you'd think.

 

[Baronman]

He also said that the fifty-seat flying was by far the least profitable flying Delta has.

Wow...This guy makes millions just to tell us that filling up a 777 to Rome can make DL more money than an RJ from ATL to Montgomery?
Who'd a thunkit?

 

[79%N1]

Wow...This guy makes millions just to tell us that filling up a 777 to Rome can make DL more money than an RJ from ATL to Montgomery?
Who'd a thunkit?

Seriously! Who'da thought?!

Except they cant fill the 777 up unless all the RJ's roll in from MGM, BTR, TRI, CRW, PNS, GPT and MOB, etc........

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ASA FFD contract will have a five year reset on Oct of this year. It is correct to state that DAL will determine the pay it offers SKW, and it is at their option to take it. Performace also come in to play here. Remember that not being in the bottom two starts a clock as well.

As for the airframes, that is going forward as I understand it. The 70/76 market is maxed unless there is a concession or we get a lot of jets.

This will be a continual pull down yoy. (That is unless a new ceo comes in and changes the direction)

 

[makersmarc]

It's funny how these CEO's can only think in terms of RASM, CASM et cetera without giving any thought whatsoever to the way that the system works. 50 seat airplanes work fine in the appropriate markets. In those same markets the larger aircraft would lose money.

The larger small aircraft (76 seats) fill a niche as well. Their crews are far cheaper than the legacy pilots and the operating expense is not much more than the 50 seater. So what's killing the 50 seaters? The 76 seaters, and they are capped.

As far as the 50 seaters not being profitable, if they weren't at all profitable, they'd be gone tomorrow. They just aren't as profitable as the larger a/c.

 

[wms]

50-seaters are more profitable than ML aircraft on routes where 50 pax fly at a time. If load factors go up across the board then there would be draw down of 50-seaters.

 

[johnsonrod]

It's funny how these CEO's can only think in terms of RASM, CASM et cetera without giving any thought whatsoever to the way that the system works. 50 seat airplanes work fine in the appropriate markets. In those same markets the larger aircraft would lose money.

The larger small aircraft (76 seats) fill a niche as well. Their crews are far cheaper than the legacy pilots and the operating expense is not much more than the 50 seater. So what's killing the 50 seaters? The 76 seaters, and they are capped.

As far as the 50 seaters not being profitable, if they weren't at all profitable, they'd be gone tomorrow. They just aren't as profitable as the larger a/c.[/QUOTE]

RJs are not profitable on competitive routes. You just can't spread costs across 50 seats that easily in a competitive market. But you need feed from smaller towns to fill the big widebodies.... The point is that there will always be a need for some RJs on non-competitive routes - just not as many as we have now... Watch more fuel efficient and great capacity props like the Q400 become more popular in the future for the feed...

 

[Ridgeback]

It's funny how these CEO's can only think in terms of RASM, CASM et cetera without giving any thought whatsoever to the way that the system works. 50 seat airplanes work fine in the appropriate markets. In those same markets the larger aircraft would lose money.

The larger small aircraft (76 seats) fill a niche as well. Their crews are far cheaper than the legacy pilots and the operating expense is not much more than the 50 seater. So what's killing the 50 seaters? The 76 seaters, and they are capped.

As far as the 50 seaters not being profitable, if they weren't at all profitable, they'd be gone tomorrow. They just aren't as profitable as the larger a/c.

It's funny how these FLIGHTINFO PILOTS can only think in terms of SHINY AND LARGE SHINY, et cetera without giving any thought whatsoever to the way that the system works. 50 seat airplanes work LIKE CRAP in ANY appropriate markets. In those same markets the larger aircraft would JUST TELL PADUCAH TO PISS OFF.

The larger small aircraft (THE "9") fill a niche as well. Their crews HAVE far SPIKEYER HAIR than the legacy pilots and generally HANG THEIR RAYBANS FROM THEIR EPULATES VS. the 50 seater. So what's killing the 50 seaters? GOTTA BE THE UND GRADS and theIR FLIGHT TEAMS.

As far as the 50 seaters being profitable, if they were at all profitable, WE WOULD ALL BE WATCHING "FLYGIRLS" ON OUR IFE FROM NEW YORK TO LA. They just aren't as BAD A$$ as the larger a/c.[/


Sorry I just couldn't resist...I'm sure RA has a FAR better understanding of RASM and CASM then they teach at UND "BECOME AN AIRLINE CEO 101."

 

[crj567]

Wow...This guy makes millions just to tell us that filling up a 777 to Rome can make DL more money than an RJ from ATL to Montgomery?
Who'd a thunkit?

It can also LOSE far more money..... How much do you think that volcano has cost the airline?

 

[SkyNation]

it's amazing we haven't all been graced by the General and heard his all-knowing explanation.

must be his week sucking farts out of the seats for AC in heavy check. (he volunteers)