Delta Connection Flying - 100 Aircraft Reduction

[USCtrojan]

Well, we know customer service levels in general will IMPROVE once ASA service is reduced in the system... Nobody can argue that fact. ASA customer service/gate agents could not be worse - and it reflects badly on Mother Delta.

You obviously haven't been around in awhile. ASA has NO customer service agents, other than FA's, and Pilots. They have been gone for over 3 years.

Trojan

 

[777forever]

Well, we know customer service levels in general will IMPROVE once ASA service is reduced in the system... Nobody can argue that fact. ASA customer service/gate agents could not be worse - and it reflects badly on Mother Delta.

Only problem is the customer service and gate agents in ATL are DELTA employees. The ASA CSAs and GAs at the outstations that did excellent work for years have been sent to the unemployment office due to cost.

 

[johnpeace]

I expect DAL to have 100+ seat aircraft being flown by regionals (including ASA) before the end of the decade.

That prediction is based on trend. Major airline pilots have historically sold out on scope in exchange for short term gains. I don't see any reason for that trend to stop. Major airline management has historically benefited from cost reductions of having domestic feed labor farmed out to lower cost 'regional' airlines.

The argument against regional airlines cost-effectiveness all centers around the fuel economy of 50-70 seat jets.

Put 100+ seat jets at those same regional airlines and you create a whole wonder-land of cost efficiencies.

The only trick is selling it to the DAL pilot group.

If history serves as a guide, that shouldn't be terribly difficult. Just offer small pay/benefits increases to the most senior 1/4 of the pilots and Bob's yer uncle.

What do they care? They're retiring into a sweet part-time Citation gig at your local airport in another 2 years.

Anyway...

The downward trend of labor in America and the WalMart-ization of the airlines seems pretty obvious to me....I'm not expecting the tide to turn and for jobs to get better or for the good (major airline) jobs to actually be protected.

Are you kidding me?

It sucks, many of you will froth and foam at the mouth in rage that someone actually said it...but there you go.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Expect some good news for ASA shortly....Rumors of our demise have been greatly exagerated.....

I guess we bought you back!

 

[ohplease!]

I guess we bought you back!

Oh god! I hope not!....ahhh, just kidding.

Actually that would be great! then we can go back to DOH for non-rev travel and then a % merger of the seniority lists....oh darn! that'll be bad for you guys that left to go to the mother ship in the last few years...ohhhh, RELAX! I'm kidding....lighten up, would ya'!


Maybe one day pilots will stop looking down their noses at others and come together and stop the slide into the toilet....nah! Now I really AM joking! We all know that'll never happen.

I do have one serious question though.... If regional pilots and regional airlines are such a blight on the airline industry, why don't you guy's that are now high and mighty mainliners run yourselves out of the industry for having been regional tards (hence, part of the problem)?

I'm just sayin'......

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I expect DAL to have 100+ seat aircraft being flown by regionals (including ASA) before the end of the decade.

That prediction is based on trend. Major airline pilots have historically sold out on scope in exchange for short term gains. I don't see any reason for that trend to stop. Major airline management has historically benefited from cost reductions of having domestic feed labor farmed out to lower cost 'regional' airlines.

The argument against regional airlines cost-effectiveness all centers around the fuel economy of 50-70 seat jets.

Put 100+ seat jets at those same regional airlines and you create a whole wonder-land of cost efficiencies.

The only trick is selling it to the DAL pilot group.

If history serves as a guide, that shouldn't be terribly difficult. Just offer small pay/benefits increases to the most senior 1/4 of the pilots and Bob's yer uncle.

What do they care? They're retiring into a sweet part-time Citation gig at your local airport in another 2 years.

Anyway...

The downward trend of labor in America and the WalMart-ization of the airlines seems pretty obvious to me....I'm not expecting the tide to turn and for jobs to get better or for the good (major airline) jobs to actually be protected.

Are you kidding me?

It sucks, many of you will froth and foam at the mouth in rage that someone actually said it...but there you go.

Well my god, that is rocket science. Of course the CASM goes down if you add 25% to the capacity of a fleet. You get to spread those costs out. That is a no brainer. It is also why it is important that you hope and pray it does not happen. If it does the DCI lift once again becomes cheap and restrengthens the desire to outsource. DCI costs pay a big part in why they are slowly bringing flying back to mainline. If you ever want to fly at someplace like DAL, getting 100 seat jets flown anywhere besides mainline is not the answer.

If the 100 seat jet goes to DCI in any amount, you will not see hiring until sometime in the later part of this decade at the earliest, and probably more around the 2025 timeframe.

 

[79%N1]

Well, we know customer service levels in general will IMPROVE once ASA service is reduced in the system... Nobody can argue that fact. ASA customer service/gate agents could not be worse - and it reflects badly on Mother Delta.

HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!

Are you on CRACK?!?!??! That post just shows HOW IGNORANT, clueless and out of touch with reality you are!

ASA HAS NO (ZERO, NONE, ZIP, NADA, ZILCH) customer service/gate agents in ATL or ANYWHERE ELSE for that matter!

Customer service/Gate in ATL is handled 100% BY DELTA AIRLINES AGENTS! All other stations are Pinnacle, Mesaba, Comair and Regional Elite! Delta Airlines handles 100% of our gates, ramps and baggage handling in Atlanta - where ASA operates roughly 800 flights per day!
Delta assigns the gates, boards the flights, loads the bags, pushes the aircrafts from the gates!

ASA has outranked mighty Delta Mainline in the past many Customer Satisfaction rankings!

You are a clueless, uninformed ASA HATER! Now you just look stupid.

Maybe "Mother Delta" should look in the mirror.............

 

[asayankee]

Well, we know customer service levels in general will IMPROVE once ASA service is reduced in the system... Nobody can argue that fact. ASA customer service/gate agents could not be worse - and it reflects badly on Mother Delta.

You do know that ASA hasn't had any customer service/gate agents for about 2 years now right? They are all Delta employees. Where have you been?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I guess we bought you back!

I said GOOD news....That would be BAD news....

 

[COOPERVANE]

Expect some good news for ASA shortly....Rumors of our demise have been greatly exagerated.....

No announcement yet


This is the 2nd Board you have mentioned this on. You gotta give us more than that. A hint perhaps?......come on........

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I said GOOD news....That would be BAD news....

Ah, well then congratulations. I am sure that the added UAUA flying will be welcome.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Oh god! I hope not!....ahhh, just kidding.

Actually that would be great! then we can go back to DOH for non-rev travel and then a % merger of the seniority lists....oh darn! that'll be bad for you guys that left to go to the mother ship in the last few years...ohhhh, RELAX! I'm kidding....lighten up, would ya'!


Maybe one day pilots will stop looking down their noses at others and come together and stop the slide into the toilet....nah! Now I really AM joking! We all know that'll never happen.

I do have one serious question though.... If regional pilots and regional airlines are such a blight on the airline industry, why don't you guy's that are now high and mighty mainliners run yourselves out of the industry for having been regional tards (hence, part of the problem)?

I'm just sayin'......

FWIW, grouping all people in the same basket over here is short sighted.

I do not believe in something for nothing, and I realize what is at fault here, but you have to remember one important thing. You must work within the system as it is. Progress will be made, but as you know big bites of the apple sometimes cause more issues that they are worth.

I would love to do something with ASA, but there is one issue. You feed UAUA too, and my guess is that, this little point will prove problematic.

This is not directed at you, but some on here, constantly going after the mainline guys on here is not a way to score any points. Many of the guys on here are the informed ones or ones that can influence actions of our MEC. Same on our side.

In the end it is about finding a solution that restores the bargaining strength of the branded flying under one voice, and restoring the natural progression of this career. Stagnation sucks, whether you are at ASA or at DAL. There has been way to much of that. We all want to move to higher paying jobs, and the is a right way and a wrong way to do that. Fighting each other for jets is not the answer.

Remember D-ALPA has exclusivity when dealing with Delta management, and for that reason alone, it serves everyone well to align our interests.

As for pass bennies. Yep, sucked getting 10 years cuts off. Some of the non pilots that came over here got a 1 for 2 on the longevity for their bennies. Pilots did not.

 

[ohplease!]

FWIW, grouping all people in the same basket over here is short sighted.

I do not believe in something for nothing, and I realize what is at fault here, but you have to remember one important thing. You must work within the system as it is. Progress will be made, but as you know big bites of the apple sometimes cause more issues that they are worth.

I would love to do something with ASA, but there is one issue. You feed UAUA too, and my guess is that, this little point will prove problematic.

This is not directed at you, but some on here, constantly going after the mainline guys on here is not a way to score any points. Many of the guys on here are the informed ones or ones that can influence actions of our MEC. Same on our side.

In the end it is about finding a solution that restores the bargaining strength of the branded flying under one voice, and restoring the natural progression of this career. Stagnation sucks, whether you are at ASA or at DAL. There has been way to much of that. We all want to move to higher paying jobs, and the is a right way and a wrong way to do that. Fighting each other for jets is not the answer.

Remember D-ALPA has exclusivity when dealing with Delta management, and for that reason alone, it serves everyone well to align our interests.

As for pass bennies. Yep, sucked getting 10 years cuts off. Some of the non pilots that came over here got a 1 for 2 on the longevity for their bennies. Pilots did not.

typical....wow....take a totally tounge-in-cheek fun poke and try to tell me and all the other lowly regional pilots how far beneath you and all the "big boys" we are...dude, that double breasted jacket being so tight is gonna cause you to fall off that mighty high horse...better be careful.

 

[777forever]

No announcement yet


This is the 2nd Board you have mentioned this on. You gotta give us more than that. A hint perhaps?......come on........

Ah, well then congratulations. I am sure that the added UAUA flying will be welcome.

UAL CR7 flying in IAD!?!?!?

 

[JoeMerchant]

typical....wow....take a totally tounge-in-cheek fun poke and try to tell me and all the other lowly regional pilots how far beneath you and all the "big boys" we are...dude, that double breasted jacket being so tight is gonna cause you to fall off that mighty high horse...better be careful.

Ohplease!, he is one of the chosen now.....You must respect his higher position in life...We are here to serve him and we belong to him and his fellow double breasted gods. We haven't "made the cut"....

 

[lookin4better]

Its just business, but the RJ thing is over. Time to adapt and move on.... no crying.

It's the best thing for this industry.

 

[crj567]

typical....wow....take a totally tounge-in-cheek fun poke and try to tell me and all the other lowly regional pilots how far beneath you and all the "big boys" we are...dude, that double breasted jacket being so tight is gonna cause you to fall off that mighty high horse...better be careful.

I can see I am not the only one around here who sees ACL for what a complete a-hole he truly is...

-Pride truly "goeth before the fall."
-Take heed, ACL-there is a big fat throbber somewhere out there with your name all over it-you arrogant putz.

 

[Varmint]

Well, we know customer service levels in general will IMPROVE once ASA service is reduced in the system... Nobody can argue that fact. ASA customer service/gate agents could not be worse - and it reflects badly on Mother Delta.

We don't have any customer service/gate agents anymore, they are all DELTA or one of their contract ground service companies. Additionally, our inflight customer satisfaction is amongst the highest in the DCI portfolio actually surpassing Delta's for a month. Go back to smoking your Johnsonrod.

 

[N813CA]

The 50 seat RJ will always be around in small markets. I am sorry but it doesn't make sense to fly a mainline jet into a city that only has 40 people flying out every leg.

 

[Tarzan]

FWIW, grouping all people in the same basket over here is short sighted.

I do not believe in something for nothing, and I realize what is at fault here, but you have to remember one important thing. You must work within the system as it is. Progress will be made, but as you know big bites of the apple sometimes cause more issues that they are worth.

I would love to do something with ASA, but there is one issue. You feed UAUA too, and my guess is that, this little point will prove problematic.

This is not directed at you, but some on here, constantly going after the mainline guys on here is not a way to score any points. Many of the guys on here are the informed ones or ones that can influence actions of our MEC. Same on our side.

In the end it is about finding a solution that restores the bargaining strength of the branded flying under one voice, and restoring the natural progression of this career. Stagnation sucks, whether you are at ASA or at DAL. There has been way to much of that. We all want to move to higher paying jobs, and the is a right way and a wrong way to do that. Fighting each other for jets is not the answer.

Remember D-ALPA has exclusivity when dealing with Delta management, and for that reason alone, it serves everyone well to align our interests.

As for pass bennies. Yep, sucked getting 10 years cuts off. Some of the non pilots that came over here got a 1 for 2 on the longevity for their bennies. Pilots did not.

My God Man! You have become completely full of yourself. Amazing how quickly it happens.

You need to understand something. Most contracted lift pilots don't want 100 seat flying and when presented with the whole story, want 76 seaters back at a legacy. Why? Because the pay is better and it is a terminal job. You get sanctimonious on a frigging rumor board and then start talking about how you can influence the MEC. YOu make it sound as though because someone had the nerve to ruffle your feather on a rumor board, you're going to take action and ruin those pilots. How juvenile is that? Grow some thicker skin and get over yourself.

Just because you now work for a legacy doesn't mean you have achieved a higher level of moral existence. It just means you now have to listen to the guys that gave up on scope and suffered the consequences. (Well, we all have lost on that one.) Now they thump their chests and talk about small and petty regional pilots and how they can never measure up to a Delta pilot. I am tired of this mentality. It is self defeating and if we all have any desire of reining in the runway scope issue, the regional guys need to learn to play ball. Sticking your nose in the air when an RJ pilot says, "Hello" is not.