Delta Connection Flying - 100 Aircraft Reduction

[Superpilot92]

DC9s are sex in the form of old dirty aluminum. mmmmm

Nothing really to add here as you've said all that needs to be said :beer:

 

[BOX OFFICE]

1 PAID for DC9 = 124 seats and burns 3-4k lbs an hour.

2 CRJ-200's = 100 seats (if no weight restrictions-unlikely) and burns 3-3.5k lbs an hour

The shift will be back to mainline aircraft and like ACL said, less frequency but with the same number of seats.

btw the DC9s that will be around going forward arent 40 years old, they're around 30 and still going strong

The DC9 is reliable, parts are cheap and Delta can do what it wants with the plane without worry of lease payments. It can be flown as much or as little as they see fit.

You forgot to mention how often the DC-9 is runway weight limited at the "RJ airports". Oops. They've been regularly leaving with 10-20 open seats this month where they've replaced RJs.

 

[samballs]

The easiest way to make a million is to start with a billion and buy an airline. Those that don't learn their leason go on to buy another airline.

Wow! you're pretty original, did you come up with that one all by yourself? Sarcasm!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Box, were they 30's and 40's? If so that makes sense and also makes sense as to why they are going to park em.

 

[CaribPilot]

I thought we were all on the same team....Hmmm...I guess not. I better go return the Delta embroidered boxers I just bought, for some ASA ones.

But it doesn't seem like they like me either. *siggghhh* FML.

 

[spudskier]

DAL is a big lumbering beast with it's head so far up it's @$$ it can't see the $$$'s flying out the window and is so slow to react to trends and market fluctuations that it will never catch up... kind of like a partially blind three-legged mastiff in a greyhound race.

As for the cost effectiveness of Q400s? yeah they're pretty great, but the initial cost is prohibitive (as is the wait to get one) and DAL (again with it's head up it's @$$) hates turbo-props and will never buy more no matter how much it might benefit them.

 

[Smarta$$]

This industry suxs sooo bad!!!! Pilots are pawns in this nightmare!!!!!

What are you complaining about? The things you are mad about the most are most likely just the free market at work. That is why you are not having the career progression you desire and why the airline profession is crumbling in front of us. You should be happy.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Box, were they 30's and 40's? If so that makes sense and also makes sense as to why they are going to park em.

Yep..

 

[Freebrd]

It can also LOSE far more money..... How much do you think that volcano has cost the airline?

being reported that D is losing 5 mil daily

 

[ACL65PILOT]

We lost 25 mil so far. Not that much really. I figured it would be a lot more.

As for DAL being to big. Yes, and no. They are making moves as fast as the DCI contracts allow. Tell your management to let DAL do what they want with your contract and see how fast the fat @$ airline can move. (Not flamebait, just true) DAL has to honor contracts like any other airline.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

We lost 25 mil so far. Not that much really. I figured it would be a lot more.

As for DAL being to big. Yes, and no. They are making moves as fast as the DCI contracts allow. Tell your management to let DAL do what they want with your contract and see how fast the fat @$ airline can move. (Not flamebait, just true) DAL has to honor contracts like any other airline.

They've been itching to get rid of Mesa/Freedom, and look how that's going for them.....

 

[79%N1]

It amazes me that the Delta pilots think that if they get rid of the Regional carriers and RJ's that Delta will magically then grow and be wildly profitable! I think exactly the opposite will occur.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Seriously! Who'da thought?!

Except they cant fill the 777 up unless all the RJ's roll in from MGM, BTR, TRI, CRW, PNS, GPT and MOB, etc........

Oh I am sure the flights to Rome are chock full o' rednecks from GPT and MOB.

 

[79%N1]

Oh I am sure the flights to Rome are chock full o' rednecks from GPT and MOB.

Right, and they all originate right in ATL!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It amazes me that the Delta pilots think that if they get rid of the Regional carriers and RJ's that Delta will magically then grow and be wildly profitable! I think exactly the opposite will occur.

It is not about what the Delta pilots want. We will have our protections. It is about what the company wants to do, and per their words, and not at a Kool Aid Session, RJ's have their place, but their percentage of the pie is going to become more rational as the contracts can become amended.

Does that mean they will proffer us for more 76 seat jets to have something to offer the DCI carriers for early amendments? Maybe. What we choose to do will be our decision.

This is not about the pilots, (you and me), this is about gleaning the maximum efficiencies from the network, and BHM nine times a day on a RJ is not it.

As for Mesa, they are having their day in court.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

expect lots of shuffling of aircraft........

 

[PBRstreetgang]

This industry suxs sooo bad!!!! Pilots are pawns in this nightmare!!!!!

Oddly this is the very reason the above statement is true, pilots are the key hinge pin in the equation and fail to realize it. Instead they focus on bending over and taking it instead of controlling it. By not acknowledging that their mgmt. masters have far more to lose than they do, they allow themselves to be bent over. I hate to say it but pilots are of very average intellect but imagine themselves to be superior in many aspects of everything in life, much to their detriment. Don't believe me look at the industry. The average garbage man has more power, all because they have a little more unity.
Good luck
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Wow...This guy makes millions just to tell us that filling up a 777 to Rome can make DL more money than an RJ from ATL to Montgomery?
Who'd a thunkit?

Yeah,
If that 777 is not full those expensive RJs will help fill them up, per DALs position paper from 7-8 years ago. RJs were never intended to be stand alone A/C, they were intended to draw pax from long thin routes that wouldn't support a 737, but would help to increase loads on lucrative routes/destinations. The RJ has morphed into a UnionBuster and the pilots have enabled the process.
PBR

 

[johnsonrod]

It amazes me that the Delta pilots think that if they get rid of the Regional carriers and RJ's that Delta will magically then grow and be wildly profitable! I think exactly the opposite will occur.

Well, we know customer service levels in general will IMPROVE once ASA service is reduced in the system... Nobody can argue that fact. ASA customer service/gate agents could not be worse - and it reflects badly on Mother Delta.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Expect some good news for ASA shortly....Rumors of our demise have been greatly exagerated.....