Delta Connection Academy comes through again, providing jobs no other school can!!

[wheelsup]

wheelsup,

I don't ever want to hear you say that GAA students are a danger to the public. If there is any danger to the public, it is MAPD grads. 250 hours to 50 pax jet IS DANGEROUS. At least GAA students get a nice 300 hour turbine transition prior to hitting the jet. And the students are well trained at that.

Wow, where did that come from. I don't think I EVER said that gulfstream students were dangerous. I don't think anyone is saying that the gulfstreamers aren't well trained (they should be after spending $30k). I said they were retarded for paying a company $30k and making the 1900 the only aircraft with 20 paying paxs...

Don't say that they get paid to be there, you know as well as anyone they aren't really "paid". Making $8/hr AFTER THEY PAY $30k isn't the same thing (or maybe you think it is). Let's see, $30,000 - ($8.00 x 250) = $28,000 for 250 hours. That's $112/hr.

MAPD grads get paid right from the start with mesa's contract rates (as low as they are ), and they don't pay the company to be there (Mesa Airlines that is, the Private-Multi Inst. are training costs that they have to pay, just like every other civil pilot). 2 totally different programs.

~wheelsup

 

[The_Russian]

Wheelsup is a jerk and cannot accept an apology!

 

[Flechas]

GIA = Toolbox

 

[The_Russian]

Flechas = idiot

 

[Flechas]

Yeah, I'm the idiot, how much was your job again?

 

[The_Russian]

smellthejeta,

A 250 hour pilot, who hasn't even flow anything more than a reciprocating twin and single, does not need to be in the cockpit of a 50 passenger jet aircraft. Or anything with a mach meter for that matter. A military pilot begins his or her training in a T-6 or T-34. Then they go right into one of the many jet trainers. The military also demands perfection and spends years on their pilots. Please do not try to compare the two. MAPD is a joke, when it comes to "experience gained".

 

[wheelsup]

A military pilot begins his or her training in a T-6 or T-34. Then they go right into one of the many jet trainers.

?

The $14.5 million, 5-year contract calls for a 50-hour flight-training program resulting in a private pilot's license. Training will take place at the Air Force Academy airfield in Colorado Springs, Colo.

The program, which begins Oct. 1, will train up to 300 Air Force cadets in the first year and involve up to 540 students per year the remaining four years of the contract. The Air Force will provide advanced training to the cadets after they graduate from the academy. The contract includes a three-year extension worth $10 million.

...

Training will be done in 35 Diamond DA20-C1 airplanes, which Embry-Riddle will lease. The university will begin implementation plans in Colorado Springs immediately.

Granted, you can't compare an MAPD grad to a military grad. But that wasn't the discussion.

You still paid your employer for your seat (or did, if you're not still there). Congradulations, you got your seat 6 months - 1 year earlier than people who worked their way up (or got lucky).

Here's an example of how much you wasted: 7% growth for 30 years, inital desposit of $30,000, no additional contributions.

1 : 32168.7
2 : 34494.18
3 : 36987.76
4 : 39661.61
5 : 42528.75
6 : 45603.16
7 : 48899.82
8 : 52434.79
9 : 56225.3
10 : 60289.84
11 : 64648.19
12 : 69321.62
13 : 74332.88
14 : 79706.41
15 : 85468.4
16 : 91646.91
17 : 98272.08
18 : 105376.17
19 : 112993.83
20 : 121162.16
21 : 129920.98
22 : 139312.98
23 : 149383.93
24 : 160182.91
25 : 171762.54
26 : 184179.27
27 : 197493.6
28 : 211770.43
29 : 227079.34
30 : 243494.92

That's a quarter million dollar mistake. And, judging the recent pay rates/cuts, that'll be 1 year to 2 years of pay at the highest pay scale you'll obtain, and that's if you get there, negating the shortcut you took. Also, that doesn't include what your $30,000 is accuring interest at and your payments on it - so you could tack on another $8000-$10000 for the additional costs associated with that.

And fletch is the idiot?

~wheelsup

 

[The_Russian]

That is not the discussion. It is about the safety of MAPD grads in the cockpit of a CRJ. You are just twisting the converstion so the heat is no longer on yourself.

Where do you get this 7% from anyway? You accounted for interest at the bottom of the page. And education interest floats around 4% anyway.

Shortcut? I worked as a CFI for 3 years before GAA! I did the FO program to get out of pumping fuel and building single engine time. It was just a neat addition to my resume. And since I had no flight training debt, It was no big deal for me. I paid for primary training out of my pocket as I worked. Also the government helped me with grants. After the FO program I have a job and less debt than 70% of all aviation students. And that is nothing I can't consolodate.

The problem here is, many pilots forget that the aviation industry is a game of money. It has an always will be a rich mans game. Not saying that I am anywhere near rich, but I have made the necessary sacrifices to get where I am. As this thread is about, DCA students will spend at least 100K to complete the full 141 program there with living expenses. And you are calling me a moron? Give me a break. However, I already know you don't like hearing any of this from me. God forbid a GIA pilot comes on here and knows whats going on in the industry, or what they are talking about.

Flechas is still an idiot. Please return now to the original conversation.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Care to back that up with facts? Any evidence to prove it? Military throws people into transports fairly quickly, although in this day and age they like to see at least a PPL.

Last I checked the military was far more selective about applicants than MAPD and other other so called "academies." The training in the military is far more demanding and a lot more material is compressed into a relatively short period of time. People that can't make the grade are removed from the program. You can't buy your way into the cockpit of a military aircraft.

 

[Flechas]

So I'm still the idiot, because I only paid $25k for all my ratings? Or because all my time was as an instructor and didn't have to buy multi time or a job to get out of flying small GA planes?

Good for you that you instructed three years, but I'm sorry to tell you that those 30k could have done a lot more for you. You are nothing but a lazy a$$ that went the easy way, that's what a shortcut of that kind is. Paying to fly paying pax, give me a break!

 

[The_Russian]

ROTFLMAO!

I paid less for the FO program than you paid for your ratings. A lot less.

Define a shortcut? I instructed longer and harder than most CFI's ever do. Ususally one year then to the airlines. Or with COEX mins, instuct for 3 months and go to the jet. And that wasn't around when it was my time to come up. So explain this shortcut to me. Where did I cut a corner as compared to other pilots. I had a two day interview just to be an instructor for the Academy, so you can't say I skipped that.

Your post just smalls of how much you really don't know about GIA or myself.

 

[FrustratedCFI]

Read the fine print!

www.allatps.com 60 garmin gps equiped seminoles, 16 diamondstars with the new 1000 cockpit, a citation, and a crj sim (ftd?). $78,000, housing included, with a $10,000 money back if you don't get a job right away with the airlines, and you get a job as a multi-engine instructor. This is from 0 time to airline in it looks like 11 months.

 

[DX Rick]

Russian

many years of being a CFI and still had to pay to fly GIA's airplanes? Some people just don't get it. You have a commercial rating, they should be paying you, not the other way around.

 

[8HRRULE]

So I'm still the idiot, because I only paid $25k for all my ratings? Or because all my time was as an instructor and didn't have to buy multi time or a job to get out of flying small GA planes?

Good for you that you instructed three years, but I'm sorry to tell you that those 30k could have done a lot more for you. You are nothing but a lazy a$$ that went the easy way, that's what a shortcut of that kind is. Paying to fly paying pax, give me a break!

People like you are whats wrong with this industry today. You are taking us all down with your greed and stupidity.

 

[Flechas]

ROTFLMAO!

I paid less for the FO program than you paid for your ratings. A lot less.

Define a shortcut? I instructed longer and harder than most CFI's ever do. Ususally one year then to the airlines. Or with COEX mins, instuct for 3 months and go to the jet. And that wasn't around when it was my time to come up. So explain this shortcut to me. Where did I cut a corner as compared to other pilots. I had a two day interview just to be an instructor for the Academy, so you can't say I skipped that.

Your post just smalls of how much you really don't know about GIA or me.

You may have paid less for the job, but you also had to pay for your initial ratings. I didn't instruct for three months, more like two years, full time and two jobs for the most part.
I agree that a DCA graduate paid way more than you (see my first post here), that's not very smart either, but what's wrong with what you did is the principle of it, it is worse than being a prostitute, at least they get paid for it. What you did is unethical, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Flechas]

People like you are whats wrong with this industry today. You are taking us all down with your greed and stupidity.

I think you are getting it wrong dude, he's the one that paid for the job, I only paid for my ratings.

 

[8HRRULE]

Flechas, You sir, are a disgrace.

 

[wheelsup]

Shortcut? I worked as a CFI for 3 years before GAA! I did the FO program to get out of pumping fuel and building single engine time.

Serious Question: Were you instructing full-time or part-time while you worked a full-time/second job?

My bud who recently went to gulfstream was in the same situation, worked about 3 years as a CFI with no multi to speak of. I realized the place was a trap and didn't want to end up like him and the others there, so I left for greener pastures to schools that had twins and the students to support them. If it came down to it though and I had the 135 mins and no twin time, I would've gone to fly freight - I had a commercial ticket so why not use it .

I realize you did the GAA program simply as a "time-building" program, but you did it at the expense of others who worked as hard as you trying to get into the 121 world. I think that's what people are so pissed about.

~wheelsup

 

[Flechas]

Flechas, You sir, are a disgrace.

How so?

 

[8HRRULE]

How so?

Just because he paid for his job doesn't make him any less of a pilot. You would have done the same thing if you could have.