Delta, Comair, ASA and CASS

[Stifler's Mom]

Can somebody verify this horrible rumor as truth or fiction?

Delta and Comair are CASS approved but ASA is not?

 

[atrdriver]

I can't confirm it, but I have also heard that it's true, and we probably didn't hear it from the same person...

 

[skyslug]

If Comair is CASS approved we know nothing about it yet.

 

[arthompson]

DL/OH/EV are *not* currently in the CASS system much to the dismay of many of the commuters at my company who try to fly on them. We also had a pilot last week that was unable to ride his Dad's DL retirement flight because DL is not in CASS. Hopefully that will be fixed soon and we'll all have a better chance at getting to/from where we want to go.

Adam

 

[anon]

I wonder ...

What is the cost of the CASS system to the airline?

It would be very unfortunate if all pilots who supported CASS were to stop single engine taxi-out, taxi-in, and all other fuel conservation efforts. I certainly wouldn't want to promote such an idea. After all, that would be wrong.

 

[kikejavy]

I have heard the cost is very low about 7,000 dollars or so and I have heard this from guys at southwest and american and they have it in their companies

 

[Smacktard]

I wonder ...

What is the cost of the CASS system to the airline?

It would be very unfortunate if all pilots who supported CASS were to stop single engine taxi-out, taxi-in, and all other fuel conservation efforts. I certainly wouldn't want to promote such an idea. After all, that would be wrong.

The happiness of pilots is inversely proportional to fuel flows. You'd think they'd have figured that out by now.

 

[uncle]

I checked with American Eagle on Aug 1. Delta is on CASS, Comair is not. Has anyone heard from Fred about CASS and Comair?

 

[CMRaviator]

Finally some discussion about Comair and the CASS system. I have been trying to get information for months now on the implementation status. (Of course all emails to the FO reps go unanswered)

 

[General Lee]

DL/OH/EV are *not* currently in the CASS system much to the dismay of many of the commuters at my company who try to fly on them. We also had a pilot last week that was unable to ride his Dad's DL retirement flight because DL is not in CASS. Hopefully that will be fixed soon and we'll all have a better chance at getting to/from where we want to go.

Adam

Wait, I thought we (DL) are CASS. Comair is not CASS. The IATA doesn't allow regionals to have the CASS program yet I believe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyingSig]

Delta is most deffinetly CASS approved. It was effective 7/26/05 ... as to the pilot that was not able to ride in our jumpseat... if it was after that date, then his airline must not be CASS... prior to that date, it was Delta's fault. Bummer though... I missed riding on my Dad's retirement flight a few years ago since I was on furlough so I know how he feels....

 

[uncle]

American Eagle has been CASS at least 3 months.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Cost of CASS

I have heard the cost is very low about 7,000 dollars or so and I have heard this from guys at southwest and american and they have it in their companies

It cost $1000 to join and $600 a month regardless of the size of the airline, number of pilots.

ARINC administers the program, Mr. Dave Thatcher in Annapolis, MD.

 

[anon]

$600 per month - $20 per day?

I'm fairly sure that disgruntled pilots can burn more than that in taxi fuel and rated thrust-vs- flex thrust takeoffs.

Let's see - 800 flights per day at about 100lbs extra per taxi = 80K lbs per day. That's nearly $12,000 per DAY.

Geez - you would think someone in the Crystal Palace has thought about that.

A little good will goes a long way.

 

[uncle]

Amen...anon

 

[PCL_128]

DL/OH/EV are *not* currently in the CASS system much to the dismay of many of the commuters at my company who try to fly on them. We also had a pilot last week that was unable to ride his Dad's DL retirement flight because DL is not in CASS. Hopefully that will be fixed soon and we'll all have a better chance at getting to/from where we want to go.

Adam

Not true. I'm an ATL commuter, and the DTW Delta gate agents confirmed me in CASS just yesterday morning. The DAL CASS system is working just great. Also, the pilot did get to ride on his dad's retirement flight unless you're talking about a different guy. He had to get some paperwork taken care of from the TSA since it was before Delta's CASS system was approved last week, but it was taken care of in time for the flight.

 

[arthompson]

PCL I may have misunderstood what he said, its possible. I also posted that at like 0200 and I'm on my 6th day in 7 in this wonderful room where we have to make sure we have enough people to cover all the wonderful flying that we have.....September still looking good for your upgrade?

Adam

 

[C.Warrior]

CASS approval is also at the hands of the local POI.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL I may have misunderstood what he said, its possible. I also posted that at like 0200 and I'm on my 6th day in 7 in this wonderful room where we have to make sure we have enough people to cover all the wonderful flying that we have.....September still looking good for your upgrade?

Adam

6th day in 7? Dang, they work everyone to the bone around here.

It looks like I'm the 5th most senior guy on the upgrade award, so it'll probably be a Sept class. Hopefully the 5th of Sept, but maybe the 17th. You'll probably see it on my schedule before I even know.

 

[Traumahawk]

congrats!

It looks like I'm the 5th most senior guy on the upgrade award, so it'll probably be a Sept class. Hopefully the 5th of Sept, but maybe the 17th. You'll probably see it on my schedule before I even know.

And you didn't even have to pay for it!

 

[PCL_128]

And you didn't even have to pay for it!

Wow, that's so original Traumadork! We've never heard that one before. However do you come up with such witty banter? I'm floored by your cleverness! [/sarcasm]

 

[AvroJockey]

Wait, I thought we (DL) are CASS. Comair is not CASS. The IATA doesn't allow regionals to have the CASS program yet I believe.

Mesaba and Pinnacle are CASS.

 

[CMRJetDriver]

CASS has nothing to do with the size of your plane or pilot group. The Comair Chief Pilot's update on August 1st said that Comair will will in the CASS system very soon. In the mean time we will continue to take as many offline jumpseaters as there are seats open in the back.

 

[chperplt]

In the mean time we will continue to take as many offline jumpseaters as there are seats open in the back.

Do you guys (CMR) have a new jumpseat chairman yet?

 

[AirBill]

Wait, I thought we (DL) are CASS. Comair is not CASS. The IATA doesn't allow regionals to have the CASS program yet I believe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

I guess DL is no longer allowing non-CASS affiliated DL CX carriers to ride in the cockpit jumpseat. Is this true? What about the DL pilots who rely on CX carriers to get to work and get home? Are they expecting to still get the jumpseat in this situation? Because I know a lot of guys who are pretty upset about this, especially since, as you noted, non-ATA carriers don't even get the chance to join CASS at this time.

 

[ProLine4]

General,

I guess DL is no longer allowing non-CASS affiliated DL CX carriers to ride in the cockpit jumpseat. Is this true? What about the DL pilots who rely on CX carriers to get to work and get home? Are they expecting to still get the jumpseat in this situation? Because I know a lot of guys who are pretty upset about this, especially since, as you noted, non-ATA carriers don't even get the chance to join CASS at this time.

Not true. I got the cockpit jumpseat on mainline the other day as non-CASS DCI RJ trash. Same works in reciprocal, DL mainline can still ride the RJ ironing board here. ASA probably won't see CASS anytime soon, its one more thing mgmt can hold over our heads in negotiations.

 

[Morning Wood]

Man why is this so complicated? Everytime it changes (and it
has like 100 times since 9/11) it is like pulling teeth for the
crews, customer service, and everyone else to be on the same
page. No one knows and if you ask 10 people, you get 10
answers. Some know, some think they know, some don't want
to know.......I thought non-CASS DCI or DL CONX people with
PPR* could still sit up front?

 

[uncle]

I'm with Comair. We're not on CASS, but I rode the jumpseat on DL(on CASS) yesterday. No problems. The exact same form and credentials(crew ID, FAA certificate, and medical, no passport).