Delta Collecting Apps.

[BILL LUMBERG]

Bill:
Let's not forget class act guys like this one:


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=101858#post101858

In the words of Mel Gibson: (from Lethal Weapon)
"I never forget an a'hole!"

737

True 737, but one tool from the shed who spouts off on the forum shouldn't give the group a broad brush.........it was the lack of action against these MEC monkeys by the rank-and-file which paints them all as supporting it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Just go off the phone with my buddy in their pilot staffing office. They have gotten the money and have an approved vendor for the application service. It should be on the delta.com site in the near future.

 

[Z_Pilot]

Just go off the phone with my buddy in their pilot staffing office. They have gotten the money and have an approved vendor for the application service. It should be on the delta.com site in the near future.

Which vendor? I hope it is AirlineApps.com.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They did not say, for obvious reasons.

 

[N2264J]

I didn't want to be the one to bring this up, but the above is exactly why many people have trouble trusting JC to this day. He attempted to hold DAL furloughs hostage in order to secure scope relief from DALPA. Absolutely despicable. Thank God Buergey stood his ground.

Originally Posted by PCL_128
The underlined portion is where I see the likelihood of a flowthrough being created. The MEC of the pilot group getting these aircraft would have to approve of furloughed NWA pilots getting half of the seats on the new planes. It can't just be dictated, it has to be negotiated. This is where the flowthrough would likely be introduced in order to "sell" the idea to the regional pilots getting the planes. Otherwise, they have no incentive to allow mainline pilots to occupy those seats.

How do you reconcile these two statements? You call what Comair attempted to do absolutely despicable but in the second paragraph, by your own characterization, you're suggesting that the Pinnacle MEC hold Northwest furloughees hostage for a flowthrough.

You fit right in with the ALPA leadership we've come to expect.

 

[737 Pylt]

How do you reconcile these two statements? You call what Comair attempted to do absolutely despicable but in the second paragraph, by your own characterization, you're suggesting that the Pinnacle MEC hold Northwest furloughees hostage for a flowthrough.

You fit right in with the ALPA leadership we've come to expect.

And you with a bunch of scumbag scabs! Actually worse than scabs, at least a scab waits until you're out of work before trying to steal your job!
How's the lawsuit working out for you sparky?

737

 

[PCL_128]

How do you reconcile these two statements? You call what Comair attempted to do absolutely despicable but in the second paragraph, by your own characterization, you're suggesting that the Pinnacle MEC hold Northwest furloughees hostage for a flowthrough.

You fit right in with the ALPA leadership we've come to expect.

The statements aren't contradictory in the slightest. In the CMR example, JC was resisting allowing pilots to be hired to the bottom of the seniority list like any other pilot. The DAL pilot would go to the bottom of the list and sit in whatever seat he could hold at that seniority. In the NWA example, the NWA contract provides that any carrier that takes the 76-seat aircraft (other than replacing the AVROs at XJ) would have to allow half of the CA slots to go to furloughed NWA pilots. That's a violation of basic seniority rights. Our pilots would miss upgrade slots that they've already earned in that case. Big difference from a furloughed pilot being hired to the bottom of the list.

 

[skiddriver]

I generally check out Comair/Delta related threads, because my short commercial airline career was spent at the first, and as a retired mil guy I have some friends at the second. I'm going to share with you all a letter that I sent to JC just after Christmas 2002, just after the meeting between the Comair and Delta MECs.

As you'll also see, I still believed in union brotherhood and the viability of an airline career. Pretty naive for a 40+ year old guy, but that is how I looked at it at the time. I'd only been out of the Marine Corps for 6 months and was a probationary union member. It took another year and a half to beat the idealism out of me. I’ve since moved on and left the industry, but still feel that we could have done more at the time. We certainly would be having a different discussion in this thread.

I'm sorry to say that even though I know he received this as I personally put the letter in his V-file, I never received any response.


Captain J.C. Lawson
Comair MEC Chairman

18 Jan 2003​

Dear Capt Lawson;

Please excuse me for dropping this note in your V-File, as I’m not sure how to send you correspondence. I’m writing for two reasons. First, I wanted to thank you for stopping by the crew facility on Christmas day. I was one of the pilots standing airport reserve, and I really appreciated you taking time to visit with us. I enjoyed meeting you, and hearing first hand some of the issues you are addressing on our behalf. I am new at Comair, having retired from the Marine Corps last June, and it was a pleasant and informative break from our reserve duties. I also extend my thanks to all that you and the other members of our union leadership do on our behalf. Though I haven’t been here long, it is obvious to me that you all care deeply about the future of our pilot group and are working hard to ensure it.

One of the topics that we discussed during your visit on Christmas was the meeting between you and the Delta MEC to discuss preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. I have subsequently received and read your letter to the Comair pilots explaining what occurred at this meeting, and the Comair MEC position.

I believe that the concerns voiced in your letter to us are valid ones, and I appreciate you looking out for the long term interests of our pilot group. As an “old” new hire, who has no intention of going elsewhere, the structure under which our company operates is of great personal interest to me. Your efforts to make us a stronger company and pilot group are greatly appreciated.

That said, and as I expressed to you on Christmas day, I ask (and ask knowing that I’m only an apprentice member of the union) that we as a pilot group not just leave a door open to our furloughed brothers, but reach out and offer them a hand. I don’t ask this because I want preferential hiring at Delta (I don’t), or because I have friends at Delta who are currently furloughed (though I do). I ask this because I feel it is our duty, and if I can say so without offending anyone, our Christian duty to help out our brothers in need.

I am certainly not suggesting that you put the livelihoods of the pilots here at Comair at risk, and I know you would never do that in any case. However, if you can find a way to reach out to the furloughed Delta pilots and by extension, to their families, I feel that only good can come from that attempt.

Thank you again for your efforts on our behalf, and for taking the time out to come visit with us on Christmas day.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
First Officer

 

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So, what about the promise of preferred hiring for ASA pilots?

 

[On Your Six]

So, what about the promise of preferred hiring for ASA pilots?

I have personally heard that ASA pilots will be viewed "favorably" based upon their outreach to furloughed DAL pilots. No promises, but favorable is better than nothing.

 

[737 Pylt]

So, what about the promise of preferred hiring for ASA pilots?

I will make it a point to talk with my reps re: that very topic.
However. JB and Ohplease need not apply!

737

 

[Nindiri]

What does "favorably" mean? The promise was preferred hiring. Delta is good people and it would be both surprising and very disappointing if they resorted to semantics instead of living up to the spirit of the agreement.

 

[Archie Bunker]

What does "favorably" mean? The promise was preferred hiring. Delta is good people and it would be both surprising and very disappointing if they resorted to semantics instead of living up to the spirit of the agreement.

IMHO, the ASA guys should get preferred hiring. I'm not quite sure what it means, but if that means first shot at the interviews, then so be it....let's make it happen.

 

[JECKEL]

Archie Bunker,

Preferred HIRING means just that ... I will HIRE you over him/her because he/she is ASA and helped us in a pinch.

It does not mean preferential INTERVIEW.

If I meet the minimum requirements and am ASA, the call for an interview should be automatic. I am then given perferential consideration above all others for the slot (ie military, best friends, favorite pets, etc) as long as my interview went well.

Anything less than that is not preferential HIRING.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Nepotism and good connections mean everything. Being owned by Delta means nothing.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Archie Bunker,

Preferred HIRING means just that ... I will HIRE you over him/her because he/she is ASA and helped us in a pinch.

It does not mean preferential INTERVIEW.

Call me an optimist, but I think that with most legacy airline jobs, the call to interview is the single most important thing in the chain of events to get hired, don't you think? The company likes what they see on paper, and they want to hire you. Someone probably walked in your resume to Plato, and talked you up. Basically, the job is yours to lose. The whole purpose of a behavioral based interview is to make sure you are who you say you are, and more importantly, to make sure you're not some slack jawed, mouth breathing sloth, that can't speak coherent English, or possesses the social skills of "Carl" from Sling Blade. Nobody wants to go on a 4 day trip flying 5 legs a day with a drooling social retard.

I figure if we get the ASA dude the interview, then he's in like Flint.....unless he fits into one of the above described categories. There's no such thing as a guaranteed job in this world.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Nobody wants to go on a 4 day trip flying 5 legs a day with a drooling social retard.

Does this mean I shouldn't apply?

 

[Archie Bunker]

Does this mean I shouldn't apply?

Well, if the shoe fits............

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that DAL is not out of the woods yet. For that very reason I am going to go to world for a few years and wait and see what happens over there at DAL.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I think that DAL is not out of the woods yet. For that very reason I am going to go to world for a few years and wait and see what happens over there at DAL.

Yeah whatever...

You don't even have an interview!

 

[Gofish]

Does anybody care to hazzard a guess as to when the first calls will go out for prospective interview candidates?

I stand a snowball's chance in hades of getting a call but I am nonetheless curious.

 

[michael707767]

Does anybody care to hazzard a guess as to when the first calls will go out for prospective interview candidates?

I stand a snowball's chance in hades of getting a call but I am nonetheless curious.

just a guess, but mid Jan.

 

[Papa Woody]

Call me an optimist, but I think that with most legacy airline jobs, the call to interview is the single most important thing in the chain of events to get hired, don't you think?

Not at Southwest!

The B-737-typerating-kickback-scam is running at full power!

Only about 20%....maybe less....of those interviewed get the job.

That's because they are making a KILLING on running an otherwise obsolete B-737-200 sim 24 hrs-a-day, collecting $6,000 CA$H from each candidate.

If the relationship between the powerful sim operator, and the SWA hiring "team" were transparent, I'm sure we'd hear that the discussions revolved around MONEY, not so much about the "team-player" personality garbage they try to play up as an excuse to be so "selective."

We all know that about 10 years ago, when all the majors were hiring and paying alot more, all SWA could get were dorks. Now, those dorks are doing just fine....proving that dorks can make great pilots.

All of a sudden now, they have some secret "recipe" of a personality they are looking for. The success of SWA until now has been based on having dorks as pilots. Why change that?

That's the truth.

 

[Skyboy722]

That's because they are making a KILLING on running an otherwise obsolete B-737-200 sim 24 hrs-a-day, collecting $6,000 CA$H from each candidate.

Who's making a killing? Not Southwest. And even if they were, do you honestly believe that they would give a rats a$$ about $6,000 per candidate? Give me a break.

 

[Skyboy722]

The success of SWA until now has been based on having dorks as pilots. Why change that?

That's the truth.

You're an idiot. Now back to the thread about DELTA.

 

[Fins Up]

The success of SWA until now has been based on having dorks as pilots. Why change that?

That's the truth.

A guy with Papa Woody for a screen name calling SWA pilots dorks. Good one.

 

[CarjCapt]

What does "favorably" mean? The promise was preferred hiring. Delta is good people and it would be both surprising and very disappointing if they resorted to semantics instead of living up to the spirit of the agreement.

For all those regional pilots including ASA who thought they were going to be looked at favorably by the hiring process at DAL are going to very dissappointed.

The squadron buddy will be the first to be considered. Especially those who have 1200tt and center line thrust rating.

Years of crew 121 experience will be for naught.

 

[wakesetter]

"We all know that about 10 years ago, when all the majors were hiring and paying alot more, all SWA could get were dorks. Now, those dorks are doing just fine....proving that dorks can make great pilots.

All of a sudden now, they have some secret "recipe" of a personality they are looking for. The success of SWA until now has been based on having dorks as pilots."

Pappy Woody, put down the crack pipe.

 

[RedDogC130]

You seemed shocked that it is who you know, not what you know. A company can teach you how to fly. That is the way it is. Would you rather your buddy get the job or someone you don't know. Get out there and meet some people.

 

[Papa Woody]

Pappy Woody, put down the crack pipe.

"Crack is illegal. Ignorance is not." P. Woody, aviator, 2006