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[Launchpad]

<<How many furloughees are showing up at Delta when recalled? 1 in 5? 1 in 7?>>

Not quite that high, there aren't many left on the recall list that was once well over a thousand.

 

[Nindiri]

How is that RJDC lawsuit going?

Probably a little better if they can show evidence that ALPA at Delta has supported a blackballing of Comair pilots.

 

[Gofish]

soooo...ummmm...not to get back on topic or anything but is the "widget" actually accepting resumes in the near future.

I dusted mine off and I am ready to send it in for the General's review!

 

[acarpe3448]

Yes! It looks like Delta is actually going to start the hiring again! The last of the furloughs should be offered a recall in the next month or so, then we are back in the hiring mode. The company has approved Plato's resume/application service. A new addition this year is going to be Delta pilots being able to do their recomendations via the internet/application service. I know there will not be any blackballing of Comair pilots, some will get invited to interview, some will get hired! What happens when they get to the interview will be interesting! I imagine ASA pilots will find the interview process much nicer! I can see it now, Capt Ford and his RJDC pukes are going to file another lawsuit because they don't think they are being treated fair! Oh, so sad!

 

[PCL_128]

Any word on what the mins will be this time around?

 

[General Lee]

soooo...ummmm...not to get back on topic or anything but is the "widget" actually accepting resumes in the near future.

I dusted mine off and I am ready to send it in for the General's review!

Hired! Anyway, we are short, and at a recent ATL crew lounge meeting with the ATL CP, he stated that the last bid had some INTL FO slots going unfilled. That is amazing, since those slots are usually taken right away.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

This sounds like the most eagerly awaited aviation event of the last 5 years!!!

 

[Nindiri]

That's surprising. I would have thought that those international slots would have gone quickly.

If international slots are going to go junior, I might just have to rethink this whole thing and apply afterall. I would hate having to go to NY, though.

 

[737 Pylt]

Probably a little better if they can show evidence that ALPA at Delta has supported a blackballing of Comair pilots.

You're kidding right?

737

 

[Lear70]

You're kidding right?

737

Probably not... but then again, the RJDC never DID stand a snowball's chance in hell and is probably grasping at ANY straw.

I understand the conflict of interest issues and, fundamentally, agree that ALPA can't possibly represent BOTH pilot groups 100%.

I don't, however, believe the law suit will be able to prove much of anything that will require ALPA to change or cough up money in any way. It's bee HOW many years now?

Any word on what the mins will be this time around?

10,000 TT
5,000 PIC Jet Part 121
NASA physical with stress EKG WHILE being interviewed by a 7-person panel.
7 Internal Recommendations, all of whom must have flown with you.
3 Sponsors.

All waivable with a LOR from the General.

 

[27 driver]

Still no answer on the when and where apps will be accepted. I just checked airlineapps and no mention of Delta. I also searched their site and still no mention of pilot hiring. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please help a furloughed cracker out.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

It's comforting to know that while Delta pilots have endured multiple huge pay cuts, loss of pensions and other benefits, etc, at least by God their leadership is going to teach those Comair punks a thing or two. A pilot's got to have his priorities, you know.

Yeah Nindiri,

You outed me......my every waking moment is based around how I'm "going to teach those Comair punks a thing or two."

Not really, Just hard to forget how the rope ladder was pulled up while EVERY other DCI carrier threw out a lifeline, irregardless of politics, for a furloughed pilot in need.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You bring up an excellent point. While there is certain element who shamed themselves and their fellow pilots at CMR, like N22 and others by either associating themselves with Dan Ford and the RJDC, or by doing the RJDC's bidding, like JC did, many junior CMR pilots were just along for the ride. Although they have been remarkably silent during this whole shameful episode.

Agreed, not all pilots of Comair should be labelled, they were on a hijacked agenda driven by a bunch of lifer MEC leaders......so yes, we shouldn't generalize.

 

[Nindiri]

Yeah Nindiri,

You outed me......my every waking moment is based around how I'm "going to teach those Comair punks a thing or two."

Not really, Just hard to forget how the rope ladder was pulled up while EVERY other DCI carrier threw out a lifeline, irregardless of politics, for a furloughed pilot in need.

Not to worry, Bill, you'll show them. You'll show them all when you get them kicked out of the crew room at LGA. :laugh:

 

[737 Pylt]

Should I wear a double-breasted to the interview?

Based on your avatar pic. I recommend a brown bag!

Who exactly, do you think you are? Comair pilots don't owe you an explanation wheather you prefer it or not. You don't believe anything we tell you anyway. But for the other curious readers here -

JC offered to carry the torch for the furloughees and have the Comair pilots bear the cost of changing company policy in exchange for Brand Scope/scope relief but was rebuffed by Buergey. Remember ALPA's highly touted, much ballyhooed fix for the race to the bottom? So how's that Brand Scope workin' out for ya?

Carry the torch? What rjdc playbook is that statement from? Baghdad Bob would be proud of you
Based on your statements above, no wonder your lawsuit is failing miserably having had 9 out of 10 claims thrown out.

How many furloughees are showing up at Delta when recalled? 1 in 5? 1 in 7?

What do you care, remember you're not applying!

Delta will hire qualified applicants who fit their profile. The fact that the applicant comes from Comair means nothing to management regardless of what the web board firebrands say. They are bullies who shore up their egos by claiming Comair pilots have to be beholden to their authority when, in fact, they have none.

And they call me pathetic.

You are pathetic. The fact remains that the DL pilots have voiced their opinions they don't want the cmr folks on the property. As I recall, its kind of what was said in one of your own code a phones, there will be conflict of interest......You see, you started this fight, and were not worried about the consequenses because DL hiring was way too far into the future. Don't worry N, just don't apply, you'll do fine somewhere else, remember?

737

 

[Archie Bunker]

It does partially, thank you. And, if I may ask, in what format would that explanation have to be? Some kind of a letter signed by every CMR pilot, some kind of a website that explains it, maybe a videotaped statement from LEC/MEC members?

I would like to see something documented from that time period that shows that the rank and file, or the MEC actually attempted to do something/anything condemning this policy. Any petition or resolution from a LEC or MEC meeting would be a matter of record, and could easily be documented. If memory serves me correctly, I recall the CMR MEC stating that they supported the policy, because having Delta pilots in their cockpits might "cause a conflict," or something to that effect. That doesn't help the Comair pilot's case a whole lot.

I'm afraid that an official apology (present day) from the MEC would fall under the category of "a day late, and a dollar short." But we all know that would never happen anyway.

For the record, I don't have a horse in this race, but I'm wondering how such a deep animosity and resentment can be fixed by something that can be "quantified". If DL pilots really feel the way you say they do, I doubt anything CMR folks can do will help.

It's real simple.......show me anything documented like I mentioned in my first paragraph, and it would go a long way to patch up things. Any chance of that happening??

 

[flyboyike]

I would like to see something documented from that time period that shows that the rank and file, or the MEC actually attempted to do something/anything condemning this policy. Any petition or resolution from a LEC or MEC meeting would be a matter of record, and could easily be documented. If memory serves me correctly, I recall the CMR MEC stating that they supported the policy, because having Delta pilots in their cockpits might "cause a conflict," or something to that effect. That doesn't help the Comair pilot's case a whole lot.


It's real simple.......show me anything documented like I mentioned in my first paragraph, and it would go a long way to patch up things. Any chance of that happening??

I don't know if there is a chance of it happening, I'm not there. But I doubt it would help anything even if it did happen. It seems to me DL folks need someone to take their frustrations out on. Might as well be Comair, why not? I am curious, though, as to how many DL people even considered going to CMR. Are we talking dozens, hundreds or what?

 

[Archie Bunker]

Who exactly, do you think you are? Comair pilots don't owe you an explanation wheather you prefer it or not. You don't believe anything we tell you anyway.

Fine, don't say anything....you're absolutely right. Leave everything just the way it is, and Comair guys will be welcomed with open arms at Delta.

You may not think that you owe the Delta pilots an explanation, but every pilot I've ever talked to at Delta thinks otherwise, you arrogant a$$.

JC offered to carry the torch for the furloughees and have the Comair pilots bear the cost of changing company policy in exchange for Brand Scope/scope relief but was rebuffed by Buergey. Remember ALPA's highly touted, much ballyhooed fix for the race to the bottom? So how's that Brand Scope workin' out for ya?

Oh my God, how could I forget JC's generosity? He's such a stand up guy. Let's see.....we'll hold your furloughees hostage until we can fly 90 seat RJs. Thanks JC, you're a real humanitarian. Maybe you'd like to come over to my house and fu*k my wife too?

How many furloughees are showing up at Delta when recalled? 1 in 5? 1 in 7?

How is this relevant?

Delta will hire qualified applicants who fit their profile.

Yes, Delta will do exactly this, and you and your Comair buddies don't fit.....you know, there might be a "conflict of interest" in the cockpit.

And they call me pathetic.

Exceedingly pathetic is more accurate.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I don't know if there is a chance of it happening, I'm not there. But I doubt it would help anything even if it did happen

It would help a lot if they could show that they supported us a couple of years ago, instead of taking no action.

It seems to me DL folks need someone to take their frustrations out on. Might as well be Comair, why not?

Come on buddy......I think you're a lot smarter than that. There is a specific reason why Delta pilots are not happy with the Comair folks, and you know exactly why. Do you see any animosity towards any ASA pilots here?

I am curious, though, as to how many DL people even considered going to CMR. Are we talking dozens, hundreds or what?

It doesn't matter how many furloughed Delta pilots considered going to Comair. If only one guy wanted to go there, he found the door slammed in his face.....from the very same pilot group that received strike benefits from that Delta pilot's checkbook. Disgraceful.

 

[flyboyike]

It would help a lot if they could show that they supported us a couple of years ago, instead of taking no action.

I understand, but I have a feeling that if they showed you, say, 15 petitions against CMR's policy, DL people would probably be saying "Why not 20 petitions?"

Come on buddy......I think you're a lot smarter than that. There is a specific reason why Delta pilots are not happy with the Comair folks, and you know exactly why. Do you see any animosity towards any ASA pilots here?

No, I'm not that smart yet. I'm pretty new to the industry, that's why I'm asking all these questions.

It doesn't matter how many furloughed Delta pilots considered going to Comair. If only one guy wanted to go there, he found the door slammed in his face.....from the very same pilot group that received strike benefits from that Delta pilot's checkbook. Disgraceful.

I agree that it's disgraceful, but if it only affected a few people, penalizing an entire pilot group doesn't seem all that honorable either. At least, not to my inexperienced eye.

I am asking all this also because this kind of thing can happen anywhere and it would suck to be blacklisted over something I had little to no control over. I'm trying to figure out what I can do to avoid ending up in a similar situation.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Not to worry, Bill, you'll show them. You'll show them all when you get them kicked out of the crew room at LGA. :laugh:

I wouldn't want to see you down in the LGA lounge Nindiri, you may get lumped with the rest of the NON-DELTA pilots who aren't welcome in the DELTA lounge..........although I'm sure people would make exceptions for ASA, MESA, CHITAQUA, FREEDOM, or whoever else didn't $h!t on a furloughed guy while he was down.........

I hope your Christmas goes well and you are around family, cause they are probably the only ones who love you.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I understand, but I have a feeling that if they showed you, say, 15 petitions against CMR's policy, DL people would probably be saying "Why not 20 petitions?"



No, I'm not that smart yet. I'm pretty new to the industry, that's why I'm asking all these questions.



I agree that it's disgraceful, but if it only affected a few people, penalizing an entire pilot group doesn't seem all that honorable either. At least, not to my inexperienced eye.

I am asking all this also because this kind of thing can happen anywhere and it would suck to be blacklisted over something I had little to no control over. I'm trying to figure out what I can do to avoid ending up in a similar situation.

Archie,

I think he gets a pass.........He's just asking cause a lot of people don't realize how a bunch of Comair dirtbag MEC members took their agenda too far and took a dump on the very same people (furloughees) who paid their rent when they were on strike..........

 

[pgcfii2002]

Somehow I see this turning into a PFT arguement.

 

[flyboyike]

Archie,

I think he gets a pass.........He's just asking cause a lot of people don't realize how a bunch of Comair dirtbag MEC members took their agenda too far and took a dump on the very same people (furloughees) who paid their rent when they were on strike..........

Thank you for your understanding, Bill. How much of an impact does any pilot group have on hiring policy?

 

[Z_Pilot]

10,000 TT
5,000 PIC Jet Part 121
NASA physical with stress EKG WHILE being interviewed by a 7-person panel.
7 Internal Recommendations, all of whom must have flown with you.
3 Sponsors.

All waivable with a LOR from the General.

Sounds like FedEx mins...except you need 15+ LORs for FedEx

 

[737 Pylt]

Archie,

I think he gets a pass.........He's just asking cause a lot of people don't realize how a bunch of Comair dirtbag MEC members took their agenda too far and took a dump on the very same people (furloughees) who paid their rent when they were on strike..........

Bill:
Let's not forget class act guys like this one:

It's not going to happen. Comair management and the Comair pilot group do not want the Delta pilots to come over and work with us. The only way it could happen is if Delta management says too take the Delta pilots. The Comair pilots are ready to cause chaos if we are made to do this against our will. I do not want to see any Delta pilot furloughed, but for them to come to Comair is a conflict of interest. For all you Delta pilots, you guys can call me an ass all you want for saying this, but it is fact.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=101858#post101858

In the words of Mel Gibson: (from Lethal Weapon)
"I never forget an a'hole!"

737

 

[Archie Bunker]

I understand, but I have a feeling that if they showed you, say, 15 petitions against CMR's policy, DL people would probably be saying "Why not 20 petitions?"

What I would like to have seen was a single resolution, or petition signed by a majority of Comair pilots at their respective LEC meetings condemning this policy. You're right....I don't think that a petition signed by 20 guys last week is going to do much for their cause.

I agree that it's disgraceful, but if it only affected a few people, penalizing an entire pilot group doesn't seem all that honorable either. At least, not to my inexperienced eye.

First of all, we don't know how many furloughees this affected, because what Delta pilot would bother applying to Comair after this policy became known? Second of all, the number of furloughees affected is irrelevant. If the Comair pilots would have done the right thing, and shown a little solidarity with the Delta pilots on this issue, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. Their lack of action on this issue spoke volumes to the Delta pilots. You might have a different opinion if you lived in CVG, and were furloughed from Delta at the time.

I am asking all this also because this kind of thing can happen anywhere and it would suck to be blacklisted over something I had little to no control over. I'm trying to figure out what I can do to avoid ending up in a similar situation.

You're right....you are inexperienced, and don't know how things operate when you're a member of a union. You can avoid ending up in a similar situation by being involved in your union activities. Attend LEC meetings, make your voice heard, and vote in your LEC/MEC elections. The Comair pilots could have done this at the grass roots level, brought it to their LEC reps, and made their voice heard at a LEC meeting. It really wouldn't have been too difficult.

 

[Nindiri]

I wouldn't want to see you down in the LGA lounge Nindiri, you may get lumped with the rest of the NON-DELTA pilots who aren't welcome in the DELTA lounge..........although I'm sure people would make exceptions for ASA, MESA, CHITAQUA, FREEDOM, or whoever else didn't $h!t on a furloughed guy while he was down.........

I hope your Christmas goes well and you are around family, cause they are probably the only ones who love you.

hehe Maybe I'll go to work for Delta just so I can see what the heck is so special about this LGA crew lounge. You gotta hire me because I was Candler during that time and the Delta MEC promised. Or was that whole preferential hiring promise just another lie?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

hehe Maybe I'll go to work for Delta just so I can see what the heck is so special about this LGA crew lounge. You gotta hire me because I was Candler during that time and the Delta MEC promised. Or was that whole preferential hiring promise just another lie?

Actually, to the casual observer, nothing special about that lounge but a couple of old broken handle recliners and an old-school tv that only gets one channel...........BUT IT'S THE PRINCIPLE........TIC

Sure N, get the general to walk your stuff in......

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Thank you for your understanding, Bill. How much of an impact does any pilot group have on hiring policy?

Honestly, ZERO. Its managements party (the interview) and they aren't too keen on the group of people that struck them for a couple months (no dig, there, just what was told to me by the VP of ops when asked why we sold ASA and not Comair........the response......."nobody wanted the people and quite frankly, neither do we")

I did hear a BS motion was floating around that at the next LEC meeting to open a statement not supporting the hiring of Comair people........it won't get close to being out on the floor or will it be put to a vote, but I guess it's to send a message that the group is angry about the treatment of the furloughees.