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[sleepy]

What does DAL pay a newhire these days? I am guessing it's around $35 to $40K per year?

 

[Fins Up]

What does DAL pay a newhire these days? I am guessing it's around $35 to $40K per year?

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com

 

[NAAPilot]

That's nowhere near enough money if you have to fly with Lumberg.

 

[jrcpilot]

I believe its $48 hr 75 hr guarantee. Not 100% sure though.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I believe its $48 hr 75 hr guarantee. Not 100% sure though.

70 hour guarantee.

 

[Gofish]

just a guess, but mid Jan.

Hey thanks!

I don't know anybody at the "widget" but I did work as a gate agent for them back in 95'. Maybe I should start riding the DAL jumpseat and get to know some people over there.

 

[Gofish]

"We all know that about 10 years ago, when all the majors were hiring and paying alot more, all SWA could get were dorks. Now, those dorks are doing just fine....proving that dorks can make great pilots.

All of a sudden now, they have some secret "recipe" of a personality they are looking for. The success of SWA until now has been based on having dorks as pilots."

Pappy Woody, put down the crack pipe.

I'm a dork.

Hire me!

 

[737 Pylt]

What does DAL pay a newhire these days? I am guessing it's around $35 to $40K per year?

Worry more about what Mc Donalds is paying you to make fries and sweep the floors!

737

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

My wife bitches about my 8th year salary here.....

Better make Captain soon.

 

[GogglesPisano]

70 hour guarantee.

Airlinepilotcentral says 65 hrs. They are wrong?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

When you hold a line it is 65 hrs. You will credit in the mid to upper 70's. As a reservest you make a 70 hr gurantee.

 

[felixf16]

As a former Delta 73N F/O, I’ve read with amusement the excited postings of those contemplating a career with my former employer…

Now a first-year law student, I recently sat in on a no-fault auto insurance arbitration hearing. The plaintiff, aged 25 or so, was trying to recover for medical bills and lost wages resulting from a car accident. Part of his testimony involved his compensation. The hourly pay rate for the unskilled labor he performs as a utility company equipment yard operator is nearly $30.00 per hour. Straight pay puts him right at $60K per year, with fully-paid health bennies, retirement, etc. With the opportunity to work at double-pay two days per week, this guy could easily pull-in $70-$90K per year just by working hard. No skills required, no special training, no "recurrent," no FAA medical to pass. This is simply a young guy with no formal education who works as a union-represented laborer. I believe that his compensation shows him to be well-represented indeed.

By contrast, major airline pilots have expressly approved the implosion of their - and my former - profession. Rather than capitalizing on unity and strategic action to hold the line and thus force management to look elsewhere for cost cuts, we (actually, and more correctly, "most of us") voted to implement the mass wastage of a formerly valuable career. I truly believe that pilot unions failed to counter the management-fomented fear and doubt that caused most pilots to, even if reluctantly, knuckle-under.

My classmates scoff - perhaps a bit unrealistically, but they do indeed scoff - at jobs that begin at $150K per year. It’s clear that prospective new Delta pilots will now queue-up by the thousands for an opportunity to earn less than one-third of that figure. It is truly disheartening for me to know so many great friends who have been - and will for years to come be - subjected to low pay, loss of retirement, and poor working conditions negotiated by the sad lot that represents Delta pilots. It's much more depressing to understand that the whole mess was affirmed by former colleagues who lacked the confidence to stand-up for themselves and their families. And I'm now very much amazed in anticipating the droves who'll compete to be the next group to be played by Delta (or USAirways, or NWA, as the case may turn out to be) management, and end-up disappointed with their union representation.

Best to all who tried in vain to keep this profession viable. To those now entering the fray, good luck.

Felix

 

[ACL65PILOT]

One thing that I have not been able to find out is the 83 hr cap going away. IE with picking up trips will you be allowed to credit above 83 or is that all go in to a bank?

 

[Ben Wagner]

As a former Delta 73N F/O, I’ve read with amusement the excited postings of those contemplating a career with my former employer…

Now a first-year law student, I recently sat in on a no-fault auto insurance arbitration hearing. The plaintiff, aged 25 or so, was trying to recover for medical bills and lost wages resulting from a car accident. Part of his testimony involved his compensation. The hourly pay rate for the unskilled labor he performs as a utility company equipment yard operator is nearly $30.00 per hour. Straight pay puts him right at $60K per year, with fully-paid health bennies, retirement, etc. With the opportunity to work at double-pay two days per week, this guy could easily pull-in $70-$90K per year just by working hard. No skills required, no special training, no "recurrent," no FAA medical to pass. This is simply a young guy with no formal education who works as a union-represented laborer. I believe that his compensation shows him to be well-represented indeed.

By contrast, major airline pilots have expressly approved the implosion of their - and my former - profession. Rather than capitalizing on unity and strategic action to hold the line and thus force management to look elsewhere for cost cuts, we (actually, and more correctly, "most of us") voted to implement the mass wastage of a formerly valuable career. I truly believe that pilot unions failed to counter the management-fomented fear and doubt that caused most pilots to, even if reluctantly, knuckle-under.

My classmates scoff - perhaps a bit unrealistically, but they do indeed scoff - at jobs that begin at $150K per year. It’s clear that prospective new Delta pilots will now queue-up by the thousands for an opportunity to earn less than one-third of that figure. It is truly disheartening for me to know so many great friends who have been - and will for years to come be - subjected to low pay, loss of retirement, and poor working conditions negotiated by the sad lot that represents Delta pilots. It's much more depressing to understand that the whole mess was affirmed by former colleagues who lacked the confidence to stand-up for themselves and their families. And I'm now very much amazed in anticipating the droves who'll compete to be the next group to be played by Delta (or USAirways, or NWA, as the case may turn out to be) management, and end-up disappointed with their union representation.

Best to all who tried in vain to keep this profession viable. To those now entering the fray, good luck.

Felix

Well said!!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That's nowhere near enough money if you have to fly with Lumberg.

If we were handing out year-end awards for "MOST IRRELEVANT POST", NAA would win it, hands-down.........

NAA, you really are a waste of good graftable skin......

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

As a former Delta 73N F/O, I’ve read with amusement the excited postings of those contemplating a career with my former employer…

Now a first-year law student, I recently sat in on a no-fault auto insurance arbitration hearing. The plaintiff, aged 25 or so, was trying to recover for medical bills and lost wages resulting from a car accident. Part of his testimony involved his compensation. The hourly pay rate for the unskilled labor he performs as a utility company equipment yard operator is nearly $30.00 per hour. Straight pay puts him right at $60K per year, with fully-paid health bennies, retirement, etc. With the opportunity to work at double-pay two days per week, this guy could easily pull-in $70-$90K per year just by working hard. No skills required, no special training, no "recurrent," no FAA medical to pass. This is simply a young guy with no formal education who works as a union-represented laborer. I believe that his compensation shows him to be well-represented indeed.

By contrast, major airline pilots have expressly approved the implosion of their - and my former - profession. Rather than capitalizing on unity and strategic action to hold the line and thus force management to look elsewhere for cost cuts, we (actually, and more correctly, "most of us") voted to implement the mass wastage of a formerly valuable career. I truly believe that pilot unions failed to counter the management-fomented fear and doubt that caused most pilots to, even if reluctantly, knuckle-under.

My classmates scoff - perhaps a bit unrealistically, but they do indeed scoff - at jobs that begin at $150K per year. It’s clear that prospective new Delta pilots will now queue-up by the thousands for an opportunity to earn less than one-third of that figure. It is truly disheartening for me to know so many great friends who have been - and will for years to come be - subjected to low pay, loss of retirement, and poor working conditions negotiated by the sad lot that represents Delta pilots. It's much more depressing to understand that the whole mess was affirmed by former colleagues who lacked the confidence to stand-up for themselves and their families. And I'm now very much amazed in anticipating the droves who'll compete to be the next group to be played by Delta (or USAirways, or NWA, as the case may turn out to be) management, and end-up disappointed with their union representation.

Best to all who tried in vain to keep this profession viable. To those now entering the fray, good luck.

Felix

Great post!!! Which school Felix??

Good Luck

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

For all those regional pilots including ASA who thought they were going to be looked at favorably by the hiring process at DAL are going to very dissappointed.

The squadron buddy will be the first to be considered. Especially those who have 1200tt and center line thrust rating.

Years of crew 121 experience will be for naught.

Oh really???

Who did you get that from or was that an opinion??? Enquiring minds and all....

Not too many military are going to jump on the chance to be with Delta, they will stay in and wait for Cargo or SWA.

 

[sleepy]

Seems like kind of a gamble to got to DAL with the bankruptcy, merger, etc.... You never know though, it could all work out well in the long run. It's just hard to predict how an aviation career will turn out any longer.

My guess is that the squadron buddies are all going to FedEx and UPS though. Not to DAL.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I think that the majors will have to bring their pay up to what the cargo companies are paying. If not they will not be able to pick up qualified pilots. Long term it will be a good career, but short term it is a very big gamble.

 

[Launchpad]

Pilot Applications Being Accepted
On Wednesday, Delta announced that we will be accepting new-hire pilot applications. In the first 24 hours we received 426 applications with an average of 4949 total time. Of that, 3763 was turbine time and 2653 was PIC. This certainly shows that there’s a significant interest from experienced pilots who want to fly for Delta Air Lines. Our minimum flight time to have an application accepted is 1200 hours. If you want to know more, go to the Flt Ops Home page and click on the “Pilot Selection” link on the left side of the page.

When making recommendations, please ensure you provide the correct email address to your potential candidate. Remember, in most cases, a Delta pilot’s email address will include a middle initial ([email protected]).

 

[Gofish]

Anybody care to recommend Gofish?

PM me. I will wax your car and do your Jepp revisions!

 

[DBCOOPER]

Can anyone (Delta employees) tell me what the interview process will be like?

 

[jrcpilot]

From what I have heard there will be a Cognitive skills test then the psychological eval, Medical exam, and a face to face interview. No sim eval. Its pretty much the way they were doing it back in 2000. Not sure in what exact order but this will be the steps if they stick to the original plan.


Good Luck
J.R.

 

[spanky2]

DB,
In 2000, the 2-day process included: (Day 1) an ATP/FE type of test, "light pen" test / cognitive skills test, pre-psych eval. If that goes well then a personal interview with HR + CA. If that goes well then they will offer a job PENDING passing the physical and psych eval. (Day 2) - head to toe physical including blood donation then the dreaded MMP / 600 question, psych test. Then you take your MMP test results via cab ride to see the shrink in downtown ATL. Lots of horror stories from the old days about the shrink. I heard this guy killed himself, don't know for sure. Calls with official job offer come 2-3 weeks later. Again, this was the drill in 2000.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

From what I have been told it is about the same as it was in 2000. There will be some small changes but over all it is the same.

 

[jrcpilot]

Well,
Back in the day the guy they did use committed suicide. I can't remember the year but it was sometime in the 80's. I think it was before I got hired on at DL in 88'. Not sure if this is the son of that guy or if they are using a different shrink. I will definitely ask the next time I am down there. I have heard some horror stories too. Don't know how true they are but interesting non the less.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Is a 4 year degree an absolute hard requirement? I have heard of some pilots hired with a 2 year? Is this true or is it rumor???

 

[737 Pylt]

Well,
Back in the day the guy they did use committed suicide. I can't remember the year but it was sometime in the 80's. I think it was before I got hired on at DL in 88'. Not sure if this is the son of that guy or if they are using a different shrink. I will definitely ask the next time I am down there. I have heard some horror stories too. Don't know how true they are but interesting non the less.

HUH?????

Your profile:

Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 69
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Lots of GA stuff/ERJ-145
Ratings: ATP, CFII, MEI
Curr Position: CA- EMB-145
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Posts: 69

 

[PCL_128]

Is a 4 year degree an absolute hard requirement? I have heard of some pilots hired with a 2 year? Is this true or is it rumor???

From the guys I've been talking to, it's a hard requirement. No way around it, even with a bunch of recommendations.

If you've got the two-year already, talk with Excelsior college (excelsior.edu) about testing out of the requirements for the 4-year. If you can study your butt off, then you should be able to take CLEP and DANTES tests to get the credit-hours needed to get the B.S. degree.

 

[Headfake14]

DB,
Then you take your MMP test results via cab ride to see the shrink in downtown ATL. Lots of horror stories from the old days about the shrink. I heard this guy killed himself, don't know for sure. Calls with official job offer come 2-3 weeks later. Again, this was the drill in 2000.

...define "horror" plz