Delta CEO on the CRJ-200 cuts

[Jon Rivoli]

Somehow I expect there will be more news forthcoming in the weeks ahead. A major move like shutting down Comair, they would already have the next two or three steps worked out.

 

[Explosive]

Keep up, SkyWest has long term contacts for all of their 200's, that's 150, 25 more than the contract allows. Delta will have to buy out the contract and assume the leases if they want to park those planes.

Not all of the 50's are under contract until the end of the contract. The number of aircraft gradually winds down starting pretty soon. By the time the contract is up in 2020, virtually all of the airplanes under contract with SkyWest, Inc. are gone.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Not all of the 50's are under contract until the end of the contract. The number of aircraft gradually winds down starting pretty soon. By the time the contract is up in 2020, virtually all of the airplanes under contract with SkyWest, Inc. are gone.

Correct, 2017-2020, so the first one will come off contract in four and a half

 

[amcnd]

And Delta needs them off contract before then... So i see some levrage on SkyWests side.. Will see..

 

[General Lee]

And Delta needs them off contract before then... So i see some levrage on SkyWests side.. Will see..

SkyWest might get a lot of the planes, and they should have the pilots to do it, because when DL does start hiring in ernest, many of the newhires will be ALPA carrier regional guys like ASA (Expressjet) and PNCL and those guys can come over without disrupting the RJ feed. Makes sense. I hope 79%N1 and XJhawk are in one of the first few classes. The VP of Flt Ops said they forecasted up to 7000 possible newhires over the next decade.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[on autopilot]

Delta is bigger than any stupid contract. Delta eats contracts for lunch. If they won't honor a contract with a business partner I would be worried as a pilot they won't honor mine either. Just the kind of guy RA is.

Just for the record I want less rj's all together. But Delta seems to be a little untrustworthy as a business partner.

YA THINK?!?!?!!!!!

Delta is not the Delta we all came to know and love ( I have warm fuzzies, teddy bears and sweet nothings about old Delta) New Delta is not really Delta but NORTHWEST AIRLINES IN DELTA COLORS. WE all saw how NORTHWEST MANAGEMENT ran a once proud profitable airline into the ground, treated thier employees like garbage then took over old Delta with Delta's money. (merger) Stay tuned. When the cards are down, watch what Delta does to it's young.

 

[on autopilot]

SkyWest might get a lot of the planes, and they should have the pilots to do it, because when DL does start hiring in ernest, many of the newhires will be ALPA carrier regional guys like ASA (Expressjet) and PNCL and those guys can come over without disrupting the RJ feed. Makes sense. I hope 79%N1 and XJhawk are in one of the first few classes.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General are you sick??? No inflamatory comments or anything? Or have I been away that long?

 

[General Lee]

General are you sick??? No inflamatory comments or anything? Or have I been away that long?

I'm eating better, less saturated fats, more vegetables.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[79%N1]

General are you sick??? No inflamatory comments or anything? Or have I been away that long?

I know, right!?!? I'm thinking maybe I'll ask him to give me a reference and walk my resume in! LOL.

 

[Freebrd]

I should have been an undertaker. Business is always good, r.

and your customers are dying to get in

 

[amcnd]

SkyWest might get a lot of the planes, and they should have the pilots to do it, because when DL does start hiring in ernest, many of the newhires will be ALPA carrier regional guys like ASA (Expressjet) and PNCL and those guys can come over without disrupting the RJ feed. Makes sense. I hope 79%N1 and XJhawk are in one of the first few classes. The VP of Flt Ops said they forecasted up to 7000 possible newhires over the next decade.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Have SkyWest pilots ever not been hired by Delta?? No, they seem to like SkyWest pilots just the same as any ALPA airline.. Just saying. That 35% think you voted in does'nt hold much.. Just saying

 

[Jon Rivoli]

25% must come from ALPA regionals, wouldn't that mean that the other 75% would have to come from non ALPA regionals?

 

[BigPappa]

25% must come from ALPA regionals, wouldn't that mean that the other 75% would have to come from non ALPA regionals?

Short and simple answer to your question: No.

 

[xjhawk]

WHy thank you General. My Air Apps is done and I am waiting and hoping. I look forward to flying with you if I get a chance. We can talk all day about Flight Info stuff-but I will stick to my rule of no talking about religion and politics-even though I am middle of the road on most stuff Oh and just like 79%N1, a recommendation will be appreciated

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Short and simple answer to your question: No.

Your right, you need the token ex-military guy.

 

[BigPappa]

Your right, you need the token ex-military guy.

Well lets see, I am not the one putting all those super check airman qualifications in my profile, which means the token is yours to keep!

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Well lets see, I am not the one putting all those super check airman qualifications in my profile, which means the token is yours to keep!

Do your parent's know that you are on the internet? You're in trouble! No TV for you.

 

[Flyer1015]

Short and simple answer to your question: No.

Lets be realistic here. Delta's MEC isn't going to give two craps about exactly if 35% being hired are ALPA carrier pilots. There are far bigger issues for them to worry about than if a hiring quota is being met.

 

[General Lee]

25% must come from ALPA regionals, wouldn't that mean that the other 75% would have to come from non ALPA regionals?

Actually it is 35% from ALPA regionals, but I think it probably will be more. Some classes used to be all ex military, but I guess that 35% will be the minimum now. I know there are the grandfathered Compass guys that will also be included in each upcoming class. I personally think some groups are favored, like ASA and PNCL (Mesaba), but that's just a guess. Good luck.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Lets be realistic here. Delta's MEC isn't going to give two craps about exactly if 35% being hired are ALPA carrier pilots. There are far bigger issues for them to worry about than if a hiring quota is being met.

Do you know how many ALPA jobs are out there for line pilots? Millions. Some DL guy will volunteer to watch that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Whataboutbob]

Pinnacle is now the new Comair. They are pretty much a wholly owned now that Delta controls their financing. The bullseye is finally off of us. Feels good actually. Good luck to 9E. I am sure they will offer up our planes as bait![

I agree 9E is the next to get the royal Delta treatment. I agree your 700/900's will be used as bait but Im guessing those birds will be used to get a carrier such as Skywest who is under contract to park some 200's in exchange for your bigger CRJ's.

Since pinnacle is in bankruptcy Delta can get out of those leases a little easier I'm guessing without dangling a carrot. They don't need to dangle those Comair planes in front of Pinnacle pilots. They can just tell us to cooperate in the bankruptcy or suffer the same fait as Comair. Who knows how bad it's going to get at 9e. I'm guessing Pinnacle is going to shrink a lot before it gets better. I predict Pinnacle will lose most of their 200's. Pinnacle will be left with a super senior pilot group (the lifers) and they will either have the choice of huge pay cuts or Delta will find a new home for the remaining 41 900's. If 9e does survive and does get more bigger CRJ's I'm guessing it will be after 200's are parked and a new bankruptcy contract is ineffect. Which would probably be some of the new ones Delta ends up ordering. I'm speculating at some point Delta buys Pinnacle in the pinnacle bankruptcy. Probably after shrinking us down to lower the purchase price. Skywest probably ends up buying 9e from Delta. And if the pilots at 9e don't play nice Delta shuts down 9e, writes off the loss and the 41 900's go to Skywest.

But who knows, maybe if Delta gets their way which they usually seem to they keep Pinnacle as a wholly owned to keep carriers like Skywest honest. Which makes you wonder in that scenario why Comair couldn't have done that job. At that point I would say shutting down Comair was more then just cost of doing business unfortunately.

I wish everyone at Comair the best of luck. I hope for those that want to stay in the industry you beat the rest of us to the mainline jobs when they start hiring.

 

[1.3XVso]

no spine idiots will eat the carrot and do whatever it take to help out.

 

[BigPappa]

Do your parent's know that you are on the internet? You're in trouble! No TV for you.

OK, ok. You made your point. Now can we move back on subject..

So, what is big D's next move gonna be? Anyone?

 

[Flash]

Somehow I expect there will be more news forthcoming in the weeks ahead. A major move like shutting down Comair, they would already have the next two or three steps worked out.

Sounds like it's time to start a new regional to do some 70/90 flying. Existing companies have been around too long, fresh start with first year employees is the best way to cut costs. Anything to prevent them from doing this?

 

[79%N1]

Pinnacle is now the new Comair. They are pretty much a wholly owned now that Delta controls their financing. The bullseye is finally off of us. Feels good actually. Good luck to 9E. I am sure they will offer up our planes as bait![

I agree 9E is the next to get the royal Delta treatment. I agree your 700/900's will be used as bait but Im guessing those birds will be used to get a carrier such as Skywest who is under contract to park some 200's in exchange for your bigger CRJ's.

Since pinnacle is in bankruptcy Delta can get out of those leases a little easier I'm guessing without dangling a carrot. They don't need to dangle those Comair planes in front of Pinnacle pilots. They can just tell us to cooperate in the bankruptcy or suffer the same fait as Comair. Who knows how bad it's going to get at 9e. I'm guessing Pinnacle is going to shrink a lot before it gets better. I predict Pinnacle will lose most of their 200's. Pinnacle will be left with a super senior pilot group (the lifers) and they will either have the choice of huge pay cuts or Delta will find a new home for the remaining 41 900's. If 9e does survive and does get more bigger CRJ's I'm guessing it will be after 200's are parked and a new bankruptcy contract is ineffect. Which would probably be some of the new ones Delta ends up ordering. I'm speculating at some point Delta buys Pinnacle in the pinnacle bankruptcy. Probably after shrinking us down to lower the purchase price. Skywest probably ends up buying 9e from Delta. And if the pilots at 9e don't play nice Delta shuts down 9e, writes off the loss and the 41 900's go to Skywest.

But who knows, maybe if Delta gets their way which they usually seem to they keep Pinnacle as a wholly owned to keep carriers like Skywest honest. Which makes you wonder in that scenario why Comair couldn't have done that job. At that point I would say shutting down Comair was more then just cost of doing business unfortunately.

I wish everyone at Comair the best of luck. I hope for those that want to stay in the industry you beat the rest of us to the mainline jobs when they start hiring.

^^^^^^^^^^^

This is probably spot on.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

^^^^^^^^^^^

This is probably spot on.

I don't know, RA doesn't seem to like SkyWest too much and we are already too big for comfort. I don't think he wants to see us gain any more leverage. My money says Pinnacle loses their 200's and get's almost all of the new 900's, except those that go to Gojets.

 

[suupah]

Seems like everyday i hear of a new person just leaving the airline industry all together. I think that this glut of the most experienced pilots leaving is going to have an impact on safety soon.

 

[Flyer1015]

no spine idiots will eat the carrot and do whatever it take to help out.

True. Like those 99% stickers when Pinnacle was consistently the best on-time performance airlines a few years past the amendable date.

 

[Plainsman]

It is nice to step away from this crap sandwich of a business for a month or more. You begin to realize there are other things in life. I hope the guys and girls at comair land on there feet.

 

[bri5150]

I am not sure why people think Delta will buy 9e. Delta hates owning regionals. Why pay for the cost of swapping bases and planes around when you can just tell people to do it and not pay for it?

Also, it is waaaay too early in the bankruptcy for 9e to get any type of "positive" news. We will lose 200's until the day the judge says company can abrogate our contract. Only when it comes time to vote on crappy or crappier will there be anything construed as positive. Maybe not even until after that.

The unfortunate thing with this bankruptcy is that the best possible scenario is we will lose less airplanes. At least with the Mesaba bankruptcy there was the chance for straight up growth (which happened).