Delta CEO on the CRJ-200 cuts

[Jon Rivoli]

The 70 aircraft mentioned in the new Delta contact haven't even been built yet and will come online over the next three years so staffing won't be an issue. Comair's planes will need crews October first. Are Pinnacle's pilots dual qualified? Differences training only takes a day or two. My bet its that Comair's planes go to Pinnacle and Pinnacle drops 200's to accommodate the change.

 

[amcnd]

The 70 aircraft mentioned in the new Delta contact haven't even been built yet and will come online over the next three years so staffing won't be an issue. Comair's planes will need crews October first. Are Pinnacle's pilots dual qualified? Differences training only takes a day or two. My bet its that Comair's planes go to Pinnacle and Pinnacle drops 200's to accommodate the change.

Maybe the 900's.. Not the 700's.

 

[79%N1]

The 70 aircraft mentioned in the new Delta contact haven't even been built yet and will come online over the next three years so staffing won't be an issue. Comair's planes will need crews October first. Are Pinnacle's pilots dual qualified? Differences training only takes a day or two. My bet its that Comair's planes go to Pinnacle and Pinnacle drops 200's to accommodate the change.

Delta doesn't have to trade 700's and 900's to eliminate Pinnacles 200's. They do have to trade to eliminate Skywest Inc's. If they want to get down to the 125, they can take Pinnacles 200's, and use Comairs as bait to eliminate some of Skywest's. Now, once that's done, Pinnacle and Gojet may get all the 70 new 76 sealers as the lowest bidder.

 

[xjhawk]

320-Comair and Pinnacles 200's equals about 160 50 seaters in the Delta system. How many 900's and 700's does Comair have? 30? A 1:1 trade with the stubborn (smart) sky west. Now they are down to 130 50 seaters on the way to 125 in the Delta contract. If in the end they do give Pinnacle the new aircraft mentioned in the Delta contract, then it will be about a 2:1 trade back. Which would give post bankruptcy Pinnacle about 110 CRJ 900's. the most junior pilot at Pinnacle will have a seniority number of 1200. That is about a 10 year ex mesaba pilot or 7-8 year Pinnacle pilot or a 6-7 year colgan Pilot. That being said....What is the future hold for Pinnacle? Unless attrition is sky high, with its proposed terrible bankruptcy contract, QOL, health care program, 401K, and bases-who will want to come work there when upgrade times are measured in years while at other carriers will be measured in months? If Pinnacle does not get the Delta contract 900's then the most Jr FO's at Pinnacle will be 15 year pilots. That is a Comair scenario and that obviously does not work.

 

[amcnd]

Delta will want at a min 3 airlines flying the 200's.. They have to keep there "rate reset" game going...my guess on 200 in the end will be Sky=25-30 ASA= 50=60 and 9E=35-50. Then you can see how they will dish out the 900's if you include the OO birds thats 100 up for grabs. 30-35 each... The wild card is what can Republic/GoJet/Compas pull out of there hats...

 

[joepilot29]

Pinnacle is now the new Comair. They are pretty much a wholly owned now that Delta controls their financing. The bullseye is finally off of us. Feels good actually. Good luck to 9E. I am sure they will offer up our planes as bait!

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Delta will want at a min 3 airlines flying the 200's.. They have to keep there "rate reset" game going...my guess on 200 in the end will be Sky=25-30 ASA= 50=60 and 9E=35-50. Then you can see how they will dish out the 900's if you include the OO birds thats 100 up for grabs. 30-35 each... The wild card is what can Republic/GoJet/Compas pull out of there hats...

Keep up, SkyWest has long term contacts for all of their 200's, that's 150, 25 more than the contract allows. Delta will have to buy out the contract and assume the leases if they want to park those planes.

 

[UND_Sioux]

Don't forget Chautauqua has 26 E-145s for Delta.

 

[cldsfr79]

I know it's troubling with the downsizing of the regional fleet, guys will temporarily lose their jobs; I have been there; I know what it's like for an airline to shutdown and put you on the street; I know the emotion, the fear, the uncertainty.

But there is a silver lining to all of this.

It may mean the the majors are going to start to retake their flying.

This means growth and jobs at the majors. 9/11, two recessions, the age 65 rule and the fact that the majors continued to shrink over the last decade while giving their flying away to the regionals has crushed the major's job market.

There are not supposed to be 10+ year regional pilots and 10 year upgrade times in what was supposed to be a stepping stone to get to the majors.

Hopefully more majors will follow suit and reclaim their flying. Then we all can move on to hire pay, better work rules, and a better life.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Don't forget Chautauqua has 26 E-145s for Delta.

Contract ends May 2016.

Contract also has a 180 day notification early out clause with a payment.

They will be gone as soon as Delta requires it.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Somehow I expect there will be more news forthcoming in the weeks ahead. A major move like shutting down Comair, they would already have the next two or three steps worked out.

 

[Explosive]

Keep up, SkyWest has long term contacts for all of their 200's, that's 150, 25 more than the contract allows. Delta will have to buy out the contract and assume the leases if they want to park those planes.

Not all of the 50's are under contract until the end of the contract. The number of aircraft gradually winds down starting pretty soon. By the time the contract is up in 2020, virtually all of the airplanes under contract with SkyWest, Inc. are gone.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Not all of the 50's are under contract until the end of the contract. The number of aircraft gradually winds down starting pretty soon. By the time the contract is up in 2020, virtually all of the airplanes under contract with SkyWest, Inc. are gone.

Correct, 2017-2020, so the first one will come off contract in four and a half

 

[amcnd]

And Delta needs them off contract before then... So i see some levrage on SkyWests side.. Will see..

 

[General Lee]

And Delta needs them off contract before then... So i see some levrage on SkyWests side.. Will see..

SkyWest might get a lot of the planes, and they should have the pilots to do it, because when DL does start hiring in ernest, many of the newhires will be ALPA carrier regional guys like ASA (Expressjet) and PNCL and those guys can come over without disrupting the RJ feed. Makes sense. I hope 79%N1 and XJhawk are in one of the first few classes. The VP of Flt Ops said they forecasted up to 7000 possible newhires over the next decade.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[on autopilot]

Delta is bigger than any stupid contract. Delta eats contracts for lunch. If they won't honor a contract with a business partner I would be worried as a pilot they won't honor mine either. Just the kind of guy RA is.

Just for the record I want less rj's all together. But Delta seems to be a little untrustworthy as a business partner.

YA THINK?!?!?!!!!!

Delta is not the Delta we all came to know and love ( I have warm fuzzies, teddy bears and sweet nothings about old Delta) New Delta is not really Delta but NORTHWEST AIRLINES IN DELTA COLORS. WE all saw how NORTHWEST MANAGEMENT ran a once proud profitable airline into the ground, treated thier employees like garbage then took over old Delta with Delta's money. (merger) Stay tuned. When the cards are down, watch what Delta does to it's young.

 

[on autopilot]

SkyWest might get a lot of the planes, and they should have the pilots to do it, because when DL does start hiring in ernest, many of the newhires will be ALPA carrier regional guys like ASA (Expressjet) and PNCL and those guys can come over without disrupting the RJ feed. Makes sense. I hope 79%N1 and XJhawk are in one of the first few classes.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General are you sick??? No inflamatory comments or anything? Or have I been away that long?

 

[General Lee]

General are you sick??? No inflamatory comments or anything? Or have I been away that long?

I'm eating better, less saturated fats, more vegetables.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[79%N1]

General are you sick??? No inflamatory comments or anything? Or have I been away that long?

I know, right!?!? I'm thinking maybe I'll ask him to give me a reference and walk my resume in! LOL.

 

[Freebrd]

I should have been an undertaker. Business is always good, r.

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