Delta and SWA 717's a done deal?

[Luv2BFlyin]

Jester, we're not all afraid. In fact, a significant number would be in favor of a choice for a number of reasons. Most likely won't happen, but as long as there are still rumors about the planes, there will be rumors about the pilots.

 

[outerlimits]

Latest is they will run the 717s through a third party and negate the AT pilots claim to have to go witht the airframes so the trannys fear of having to wear anything double breasted will be put to rest.

What happened to all the support for the
AirTran pilots ?

Is that how ALPA treats another ALPA group ?

 

[jester757]

What happened to all the support for the
AirTran pilots ?

Is that how ALPA treats another ALPA group ?

#1 ALPA = ALPO

#2 IF this truly happens, it is not a merger so there is no reason to take the pilots unless they wish to apply. They would have a better career at SWA than starting over here. SWA has had a great culture and I believe the will continue to do so.

#3 As far as support - I clearly remember a number of AT pilots in my neighborhood having a large DAL Bankrupcy party. I do realize this is a small percentage, but I hope they can understand why I have no sympathy for those who took part. Aviation is a small world and celebrating one carriers failures can and will end up coming back to haunt you - case in point.

#4 You have no dog in this fight. Perhaps if it was your wife and kids who would feel the impact of loosing senority you would not be so high and mighty in your thinking. Look at the facts here - it is what it is and that is just business, nothing pesonal.

 

[waveflyer]

Well said jester, it's just that we at swa fielded a lot of delta pilots complaints during our arguments about AT seniority. It's just ironic how real delta pilots actually get when faced with the (remote) possibility of them having to deal with it too.
But I disagree that you're paperwork is more solid than fragmentation sections of a CBA - and does DALPA really want to support that?
The argument is the same - they are bringing their toys to the party.

 

[UALX727]

"I clearly remember a number of AT pilots in my neighborhood having a large DAL Bankrupcy party."

Wow, I have yet to meet one AirTran guy that was happy about that. A lot of us AirTran types have been through that before at other carriers and wouldn't wish that on anyone. Sorry to hear that.

 

[outerlimits]

#1 ALPA = ALPO



#4 You have no dog in this fight. Perhaps if it was your wife and kids who would feel the impact of loosing senority you would not be so high and mighty in your thinking. Look at the facts here - it is what it is and that is just business, nothing pesonal.

I might not have a dog I the fight , but I do know right from wrong .

You might want to step back and put ur self in someone's else's shoes .

 

[waveflyer]

"I clearly remember a number of AT pilots in my neighborhood having a large DAL Bankrupcy party."

That was confirmed?? I'm also sorry if that happened- but it sounds made up-

 

[PCL_128]

"I clearly remember a number of AT pilots in my neighborhood having a large DAL Bankrupcy party."

That was confirmed?? I'm also sorry if that happened- but it sounds made up-

Exactly.

 

[waveflyer]

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[jester757]

Exactly.

Sadly, it was true. Nothing like just coming back off of furlough, go bankrupt, and then a week later see a big bash at a "friends" house only to find out they were dancing over DALs grave - or so they hoped.

It was stupid of them to do it - but it is what it is. I guess I use this to justify why I still call them "criter" on ATC every chance I get... it's all in good fun, right?

 

[jester757]

I might not have a dog I the fight , but I do know right from wrong .

You might want to step back and put ur self in someone's else's shoes .

How is this wrong??? They are not lossing a job IF this happens and theyare NOT taking a pay cut. They get shinny new 737s and we get their old jets? Wrong?

GET A LIFE AND GO POST IN THE BATHROOM.

 

[C3P0]

Once a pilot group becomes the poster boy of being the most hated all is fair. Years ago when I flew frieght anyone driving a car without rust was fair game for an insult. I used to say look at that pilot driving non bald tires, and the paint on their vehicle is all the same color! Damn them! They will pay! Cheers.

 

[outerlimits]

How is this wrong???

GET A LIFE AND GO POST IN THE BATHROOM.

Hi pot this is kettle .


You also know how it is wrong, ur being selfish is getting the best of you.

The AirTran pilots should be allowed the choice .ALPA. ALPA

 

[Lear70]

Hi pot this is kettle .


You also know how it is wrong, ur being selfish is getting the best of you.

The AirTran pilots should be allowed the choice .ALPA. ALPA

LOL - funny, if true.

The Delta pilots need to remember, this has nothing to do with a "merger", this has to do with our scope language that REQUIRES, in a major asset sale, the pilots to go with the planes. Period.

Again... it's NOT...ABOUT...A MERGER. It's about our scope language in our CBA that's still in force requiring the pilots to go with planes, if the planes or leases are sold.

That said, as I mentioned earlier, it really depends how they structure the deal and what management on both sides wants. If they structure it as a straight sale, you're going to get the pilots. If they don't, and Southwest wants to keep the AirTran pilots, then you won't.

Pretty simple, no need for the wailing and gnashing of teeth. What will be, will be. Make the best of it, whatever happens, have a good time, and enjoy life. Much too short to let things like this get you aggravated. The paychecks still cash, the job is good, why worry about what can't be changed?

 

[outerlimits]

It was stupid of them to do it - but it is what it is. I guess I use this to justify why I still call them "criter" on ATC every chance I get... it's all in good fun, right?

Nothing says professional like a Delta pilot

You are a sad little man

 

[Hamfighter]

I don't think you can go wrong, Southwest or Delta. Really seem to be the two best places for now, especially if Delta gets the pay rates in line on this next contract.

There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about it, except to literally pray for wisdom on part of the people that are making the decision.

 

[General Lee]

LOL - funny, if true.

The Delta pilots need to remember, this has nothing to do with a "merger", this has to do with our scope language that REQUIRES, in a major asset sale, the pilots to go with the planes. Period.

Again... it's NOT...ABOUT...A MERGER. It's about our scope language in our CBA that's still in force requiring the pilots to go with planes, if the planes or leases are sold.

That said, as I mentioned earlier, it really depends how they structure the deal and what management on both sides wants. If they structure it as a straight sale, you're going to get the pilots. If they don't, and Southwest wants to keep the AirTran pilots, then you won't.

Pretty simple, no need for the wailing and gnashing of teeth. What will be, will be. Make the best of it, whatever happens, have a good time, and enjoy life. Much too short to let things like this get you aggravated. The paychecks still cash, the job is good, why worry about what can't be changed?

They would probably structure a deal that didn't allow that to happen. Maybe meter in the planes, not all at once. There are also other 717s out there that might be able to be sourced first, and then the Airtran planes coming in a rate that doesn't trigger that. Who knows? But, I don't think RA or GK want that either. GK will keep the 737-300/500s around a bit longer to take up the slack if this occurs at all. Isn't Southwest getting 22 737-800s this year? What about the next few years?



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jester757]

Nothing says professional like a Delta pilot

You are a sad little man

NO Dog in the fight. Go give some more dual "for free cause I need the time."

Just heard that Airbus is sweetening up their offer anyhow. Bottom line is DAL is finally going to add on some jets. I really do think shedding the leases for SWA is a smart move. The numbers I have seen indicate that they are paying the same amount monthly for a 717 as we are for 767-300s. Just doesn't make for a good bottom line. They will either try to "adjust" their leases or look for another buyer.

 

[jester757]

Nothing says professional like a Delta pilot

You are a sad little man

Is this Tanker Clown? Must be.

See you at your interview Less.

 

[outerlimits]

NO Dog in the fight. Go give some more dual "for free cause I need the time."

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Typical Delta pilot . You think your better than everyone else .

How is the view from up there


Like I said , you are a sad little man.