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[Noserider76]

That problem is solved with separate bid catagories for reserve and block. Which is nice, you always know what you'll get.

I totally disagree. Having the flexibilty to bid reserve one month and a regular line the next is a great deal. I use it all the time. If you live in base and don't need the money, have another business, the trips suck, I don't feel like working, etc you can bid reserve and maybe free up a regular line for a junior guy who commutes or whatever. I lived under the NW system and I'd never trade the one DL has now for the block/reserve category system. Now we could work on the reserve system here but that's another story.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Oh well, there's always playoff football, right?

Not when you're a Giants fan!:crying:
It's a bad day in NY!

 

[FBN0223]

I lived under the NW system and I'd never trade the one DL has now for the block/reserve category system. Now we could work on the reserve system here but that's another story.

You flew at NW before going to Delta?

 

[Noserider76]

You flew at NW before going to Delta?

DTW DC-9 FO.

 

[FBN0223]

You probably have some good insight on both systems. I guess my only concern would be being junior on an aircraft and then falling off to reserve. For example, I commute but I would like to fly the B767ER out of SEA. I will probably be junior and I would rather fall off onto a position where I can hold a schedule vs. falling off onto reserve. All this is probably irrelevant anyway, since we are going to the Delta system but thanks for your input. cheers

 

[clippyrip]

You probably have some good insight on both systems. I guess my only concern would be being junior on an aircraft and then falling off to reserve. For example, I would like to fly the B767ER out of SEA(I commute) but realize I will probably be junior and I would rather fall off onto a position where I can hold a schedule vs. falling off onto reserve.

That is what I'm concerned with as well as a commuter. At NWA you know exactly when you can bid the block and commute for a category. Otherwise it would be... I need a crash pad this month, I don't need one next month, I need a car there this month, I don't need one there next month and all at the whim of the senior pilots. I don't really see that as better.

 

[clippyrip]

I totally disagree. Having the flexibilty to bid reserve one month and a regular line the next is a great deal. I use it all the time. If you live in base and don't need the money, have another business, the trips suck, I don't feel like working, etc you can bid reserve and maybe free up a regular line for a junior guy who commutes or whatever. I lived under the NW system and I'd never trade the one DL has now for the block/reserve category system. Now we could work on the reserve system here but that's another story.

If you live in base it sounds great, otherwise, not so much.

 

[Noserider76]

You probably have some good insight on both systems. I guess my only concern would be being junior on an aircraft and then falling off to reserve. For example, I commute but I would like to fly the B767ER out of SEA. I will probably be junior and I would rather fall off onto a position where I can hold a schedule vs. falling off onto reserve. All this is probably irrelevant anyway, since we are going to the Delta system but thanks for your input. cheers

The DL system works best for those that can live in/close to a base and NW systems were set up for commuters since the large majority commute. If you commute I'd make sure there is plenty of room below you. SEA 76ER is bound to be ultra-senior as we had a base there that closed as well as a PDX base and a crap-load of DL guys live in the Northwest. DL people in BOS, DFW, MCO, SFO, PDX etc would sell one of their kids for a base there.

Like I said the bottom 10% can probably count on a reserve schedule but it varies slightly with the month. As a wag if I had a bid in and definitely didn't want reserve I'd bid it to be in the top 70% only. Cheers.

 

[FBN0223]

DL people in BOS, DFW, MCO, SFO, PDX etc would sell one of their kids for a base there.

Like I said the bottom 10% can probably count on a reserve schedule but it varies slightly with the month. As a wag if I had a bid in and definitely didn't want reserve I'd bid it to be in the top 70% only. Cheers.

Yikes!!! Didn't realize so many DL guys and gals were out in the Puget Sound. We'll see how this all shakes out. My preference would be continue the Asia Interport flying, which will probably go to from MSP to SEA. Thanks again for the info.

 

[General Lee]

That is what I'm concerned with as well as a commuter. At NWA you know exactly when you can bid the block and commute for a category. Otherwise it would be... I need a crash pad this month, I don't need one next month, I need a car there this month, I don't need one there next month and all at the whim of the senior pilots. I don't really see that as better.

This will likely discourage some FNWA commuters from bidding some current DL bases, since they will not be able to be sure of being a line holder unless you are atleast at the 85% level. Anything less and your QOL could suffer if you didn't live in base. But, many FNWA pilots may choose to move anyway, and current FNWA pilots who commute to DTW or MSP may move up in category (DC9 or bus) and actually have an improvement in QOL even though they are commuting to those FNWA bases.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yikes!!! Didn't realize so many DL guys and gals were out in the Puget Sound. We'll see how this all shakes out. My preference would be continue the Asia Interport flying, which will probably go to from MSP to SEA. Thanks again for the info.

There are TONS of senior guys living in SEA and PDX (since PDX was a former base), and most commute to LA or SLC. Those bases could empty, although a lot live in Park City (base housing it is called) and don't move from there either. Some guys living in SEA commute to NYC to fly the ER (2 monthly 6 day trips and they are done).


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JOPILOT]

Commuting to Delta Reserve is the sh?ts! Sit in a bucket system according to your "raw" value and get used for a one-leg two day trip after sitting short call away from home for two to three days. I recommend only bidding for categories you know you can hold at least 75-78% in the cat. or move to a base...DTW, ATL, NYC, LAX, SLC, MIN, MEM,SEA there has to be a place that will work until you get kicked out and have to commute to NYC or ATL

 

[jrcpilot]

I think that one thing a lot of guys are forgetting is this. Many of the guys currently on the ER or 767 in ATL will have the seniority to hold the ER in NYC. What this means is that in essence your pay protection will be nil if you go to the MD-88 in ATL. Only the very junior pilots may see some protection from this part of the contract.
With over 150 below me, I know that there is no way that my seniority will not hold it.

DO you have 150 below you in the category or on the System seniority list?

 

[jrcpilot]

Not sure what your beef is with Delta technology. We have a web-based system you can do anything from any computer you can do in the crew room. They were the first to implement gate info screens, auto agent free rebooking, kiosks, and other passenger conveiniences. We can just look at the onboard passenger experience to see who should be playing 1999.

While I agree with some of the accomplishments you post about Delta Technology, as a former ground employee here and now a pilot I can tell you that our systems here are not where they should be. Continentals CCS is way better than what we have with a much better web based interface in respect to crew interface. What we have is a bunch of band aids that are slowly bringing us to be current. I can honestly say its getting better. I personally like a lot of the things that NWA guys have in their contract. I think if we can mix a lot of these things in 2012 we will be in better shape moving forward.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Category.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

DO you have 150 below you in the category or on the System seniority list?

Yes, to both parts of the question!

 

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ACL65,

What's that thing that looks like a Christmas Bow below your profile?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

My understanding is that it is AIM for AOL. (See you can contact me directly if you so choose. Not that I am ever on that account....)

 

[~~~^~~~]

OK... I thought it might be what was on the bottom of your shoe after stepping on ClippyYip.

So when these bids coming out?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

When they come out. Not a second before. I am sure that they are going to be taking a very hard look at the results...