Delta AE is out

[767/757]

True that - QOL is king.

 

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So going to the ER in NYC now would ensure that I would get pay protected when they MD me out of NYC to the 88 in MSP.
Decisions, Decisions.

Smart move for something you would bid into anyway. Probably worth $45,000, or more.

The question is, do you think you would be MD'd out of NYC? You could get stuck and if you VD out, then the pay protection is off, right?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I personally think that the pull down of NYC would take the bottom 1/2 of the list. I assume that 330's will rue the day on the East Coast. That or the 765 out of NYC!

 

[GogglesPisano]

So you guys think the NYC ER category will eventualy be shrunk by half? I am about 150 numbers from the bottom and will likely be pushed to reserve. Small chance I will be displaced (this round, anyway.) Just wait until NWA guys displaced from A320, DC9, 757 get their chance to bid ER in NYC.

The question now is, why so many 737 vacancies in NYC with this AE when last year they downsized that category by 30%.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It is because they are moving the basing out of ATL.
That should given you a hint about future a/c route swaps....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I also assume that post SOC the international stuff will be moved and rebased. The domestic may take a little longer.

 

[NuGuy]

I assume that 330's will rue the day on the East Coast. That or the 765 out of NYC!

Heyas ACL,

I assume you mean "rule the day", but I will agree that I rue any day I'm on the east coast.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I did, sorry.

I am glad to see that some NWAers will not be bidding NYC when the 330 goes there.

 

[NuGuy]

I did, sorry.

I am glad to see that some NWAers will not be bidding NYC when the 330 goes there.

Well, I didn't exactly say that. There are different levels of "rueage" that may be overridden by QoL, or just plain cash. It depends on how the 330 shapes up in NYC.

I don't mind being miserable, you just have to pay me more.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well look at the pay tables, you know what you will make Is that enough green to deal with the rueage for ya??

 

[dispatchguy]

For those of us who work in OCC, but not on the crew side, and are new to DL, what is Rolling Thunder?

Just please dont go UA AFA's CHAOS!

 

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Nothing like that, the opposite actually.

Rolling Thunder is a strategy for a reserve pilot to increase their earnings by flying on their off days. If (big IF) they can get Green Slip trips on their off days at the beginning of the month, they can push these off days out in front of them. They then volunteer to fly on those off days and get more pay back days.

With a little bow wave of pay back and off days, the idea is to do all your flying on your off days and get credit for all this flying over and above your base 70 hours of pay.

Scheduling sort of likes it since Green Slips are their uber short call reserve, cover anything, guys.

With the new double pay for green slip flying, I expect green slip opportunities will go very senior and the rolling thunder opportunity will be diminished.

 

[JohnQ]

For those of us who work in OCC, but not on the crew side, and are new to DL, what is Rolling Thunder?

Just please dont go UA AFA's CHAOS!

First, what do you mean by "OCC, but not on the crew side?" Do mean DAL's OCC (Operational Control Center)?

Second, "rolling thunder" is not a grass-roots no-OT plan at all. It had to do with our reserve rules.

We have a premium pay system called a green slip. As a regular line holder, it involves flying on your days off for what was time and a half (last summer). Most regular pilots, myself included, determined that flying on your days off in the summer, for only 1 1/2 times pay, just wasn't worth it.

However, for reserve pilots the rules are quite a bit different. If you put in for a green slip on your reserve days off, you get paid for that trip ABOVE the reserve guarantee of 70 hours...and here is the "rolling thunder" kicker...AND you got the days off paid back at the end of the trip!

Insert typical summer flying schedule where the company is perpetually short of bodies, and you had reserves flying several of these a month, always getting the days off (known as x-days) paid back. I talked to several guys who fly 70 hours (no different than had they waited for scheduling to call them on their days on call) but got paid 130-150--all with no short calls!

Because of that, the company agreed to go back to how we used to do business: green slips for regular line holders are now back to double pay, so the incentive for regular line holders to fly on days off next summer is greater. That is why we predict that "rolling thunder" will be less of an issue.

But the beauty is that it wasn't any sort of grass-roots "movement"--just a bunch of pilots independently making the best economic decision. No one felt the slightest bit of pressure TO do or NOT TO do anything. Guys just flew what they wanted, and the company's own concessionary contract came back to bite them. Beautiful.

 

[ASA_DFW]

Don't guess about what is going to happen. Don't guess if I am X on a certain airplane and they do this, then I will be pay protected. Too many ifs for me. I like driving to work and and if possible having a schedule.

Make sure your displacement is involuntary. You do not want to get stuck on an A/C for two years. The bloodbath is not even close to being over.

Good luck in your decisions.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Don't guess about what is going to happen. Don't guess if I am X on a certain airplane and they do this, then I will be pay protected. Too many ifs for me. I like driving to work and and if possible having a schedule.

Make sure your displacement is involuntary. You do not want to get stuck on an A/C for two years. The bloodbath is not even close to being over.

Good luck in your decisions.

Quite true, and you are correct, this is the first step.
I do not know about you but I look at it as an adventure.