Defending Chautauqua

[skiddriver]

I know one thing you Chautauqua guys need to change in your contract. A couple of months ago I was heading south out of DCA and heard a Chautauqua dispatcher call one of your planes and divert them to a field short of their destination because the captain was going to exceed 16 hours of duty and violate the current interpretation of the FAA duty time limits. Suprisingly, the captain tried to talk the dispatcher into exceeding the legal limit, over Atlanta radio, so they could proceed to their scheduled destination.

Our duty limits at Comair are 13.5 scheduled (including scheduling changes), 14.5 actual, and 15.5 if the crew agrees to it (as in they want to get home). Your captain sounded tired as heck on the radio, and you need to get some reasonable duty limits in your contract.

 

[Corbon]

You can make all the excuses in the world why you voted in such a crappy contract. The fact is Mesa and chautauqua and Mesaba made it harder for any one else in the business to raise the bar. I don't know about anybody else, but I don't want to make around 50 or 60,000 a year. I am sure happy you are so proud to take over somebody else job.

I can't guarantee if express jet will raise the bar, but I will vote no on the first TA(unless it gives everything I want) but that is unlikely, so I don't have to worry about that.
We as a workforce has to work together to fix this problem. You will always have some group(mesa, chautauqua) or some other small piece of sh!t pilot group wanting to make 30,000-40000 a year crappy job.
We have to educate the people coming up in the ranks to not except a job with a company like mesa or chautauqua or any other piece of sh!t company.

Please tell me English isn't your first language. I'll bet the COEX guys are proud to have you as their spokesperson. Did you actually write this post, look at it and say "this looks good"? Do you even work for COEX or are you just a COEX wannabe? Maybe you got the ERJ download for your FlightSim and ordered a hat and some captain bars from Sportys to wear to school, I don't really know. Either way, I will give you a point for spelling "Chautauqua" correctly. Overall, a very classy, well written post. Any passengers viewing this must just be elated to know that they may someday have a pilot with the grammer skills of a retarded 4th grader. And thats being generous. Passenger confidence indeed!
In the future, if you are going to insult us, please get someone who has somewhat of a grasp of the English language to proofread it first so we don't have to do the gibberish to English translation. Thank you.

Sincerely,
A piece of sh!t pilot

 

[Jeepman]

You Ladies need to quit all your crying. "I lowered the bar, I raised the bar......Blah,blah, blah!!" Is the Bar open, then let's go and quit yer bitchin'

Lazy8s

I SECOND THAT MOTION & I'LL HAVE A RUM & COKE!!!

B.T.W. I just moved the bar sideways to let in some hotties! Opps! I hijacked this thread!

 

[jetflyer]

Just wanted to clear something up:

Comair does have a 75 hr min guarantee

Lineholders at Comair according to the contract will have lines made between 82 and 93 hours.

So no lineholder at Comair will ever make less than 82 hours, unless he drops trips on purpose.

Plus ALWAYS VOTE NO TO THE FIRST CONTRACT.

Jet

 

[mckpickle]

We're Number 3, We're Number 3!!!!!!!!!!!


Nothing like striving to be the 3rd best.

 

[kepjet]

We're Number 3, We're Number 3!!!!!!!!!!!


Nothing like striving to be the 3rd best.

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bandit110]

I know one thing you Chautauqua guys need to change in your contract. A couple of months ago I was heading south out of DCA and heard a Chautauqua dispatcher call one of your planes and divert them to a field short of their destination because the captain was going to exceed 16 hours of duty and violate the current interpretation of the FAA duty time limits. Suprisingly, the captain tried to talk the dispatcher into exceeding the legal limit, over Atlanta radio, so they could proceed to their scheduled destination.

Our duty limits at Comair are 13.5 scheduled (including scheduling changes), 14.5 actual, and 15.5 if the crew agrees to it (as in they want to get home). Your captain sounded tired as heck on the radio, and you need to get some reasonable duty limits in your contract.

This crap gets old. I know the situation and the teenage bar lowering Captain involved. He was even still working on getting his 100 hours of PIC in type. So there was a High mins Captain trying to bust the rules to make CHQ win more Delta flying. Yeah that it. Or maybe he was a guy on reserve who started his reserve period at 4am, slept till 10 am and forgot his duty time started a 4am. Give him a break he had been out of work for a couple of years and was sent to RIC to keep him legal. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** kids with 15 years at US Air now flying as a Jets For Jobs Captain a CHQ. Some body change his Diaper.

Grow up Skidmark.

 

[RegionalFA]

The monthly gurantee of all contracts compared was 75 hours. The value of the rest of the stuff you listed is open to subjectivity and can't be accurately quantified. That isn't misleading or ignorant; it's the cold, hard facts.

those aspects of the contract ARE subjective. You know what? It's the pilot group WITH the contract that has to decide how those factor in. I bet you most of these guys wouldn't give up an avg. of 15 days off, all of their health benefits, etc for an extra 30k. Some of them would. most of them value their QOL. The majority of the pilots obviously weighed the subjective and the "cold hard facts" and made their decision. That's how it works. Grow up already.

I, too, don't think that Comair could strike as they did as an independant carrier in a post 9-11 atmosphere. I think most people know that. It simply wouldn't happen.

 

[jaybird]

I know one thing you Chautauqua guys need to change in your contract. A couple of months ago I was heading south out of DCA and heard a Chautauqua dispatcher call one of your planes and divert them to a field short of their destination because the captain was going to exceed 16 hours of duty and violate the current interpretation of the FAA duty time limits. Suprisingly, the captain tried to talk the dispatcher into exceeding the legal limit, over Atlanta radio, so they could proceed to their scheduled destination.

Our duty limits at Comair are 13.5 scheduled (including scheduling changes), 14.5 actual, and 15.5 if the crew agrees to it (as in they want to get home). Your captain sounded tired as heck on the radio, and you need to get some reasonable duty limits in your contract.

I don't know if this has happened more than once. but my buddy was an FO on the flight when this took place. Scheduling made the error and the CA knew it. He got a call from the CP and head of CS apologizing for the mistake.

 

[Rabid Washcloth]

Just curious if there is a regional out there that has "raised the bar" on the industry wide level since 9/11. It seems like a pilot group cannot just raise "thier" bar, but has to carry the load for every other regional airline too. This is not possible at this time, so any improvement is a plus.

It's obvious the environment has been entirely concessionary for the past 2+ years (painfully so for some). Not just for the regionals, but for anyone that sits in the cockpit.

 

[Corbon]

Originally posted by Walpaper:

Digressing to personal attacks is highly indicative of a failure to master the defense of a position in an oral or written debate.

A personal attack and pointing out the obvious are two seperate issues. My post contained both. But if the above post was written in defense of the person to whom my post was directed, you are defending his personal attack on me and my fellow Chautauqua pilots ("piece of sh!t pilot group" ring a bell?). I'm guessing hypocrisy isn't new to you.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>A couple of months ago I was heading south out of DCA and heard a Chautauqua dispatcher call one of your planes and divert them to a field short of their destination because the captain was going to exceed 16 hours of duty and violate the current interpretation of the FAA duty time limits.<<<

Perhaps I don't fully understand what is being said here, but...

The fact that the flight was dispatched in the first place, or at least that it was off the ground and underway to its destination, means that the reg was already busted. What did landing short of the destination accomplish? If you're already busted, why not land at the intended destination?

Am I way off-base here or what?

 

[Sam Fisher]

Plus ALWAYS VOTE NO TO THE FIRST CONTRACT.

Jet

This is by far one of the dumbest, if not THE dumbest, statement that I have seen on this thread. Well done.

Sam

 

[labbats]

My main complaint is the utter defiance towards double spacing.

Paragraphs people, paragraphs.

 

[ERJpusher]

We have to educate the people coming up in the ranks to not except a job with a company like mesa or chautauqua or any other piece of sh!t company.

LC130driver

And at the same time I have made sure to show these posts to a "very close relative" who happens to on the hiring board at a major. He is thoroughly disgusted and appalled by the level of unprofessionalism displayed recently by the likes of Comair, Xjet, Eagle, etc.

He also feels the need to "educate" the rest of his colleagues as to what companies lack the professionalism and common courtesy to work at his level.

Keep burning your bridges. It makes it easier for the rest of us who CAN get along with other people.