Defending Chautauqua

[kepjet]

We're Number 3, We're Number 3!!!!!!!!!!!


Nothing like striving to be the 3rd best.

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bandit110]

I know one thing you Chautauqua guys need to change in your contract. A couple of months ago I was heading south out of DCA and heard a Chautauqua dispatcher call one of your planes and divert them to a field short of their destination because the captain was going to exceed 16 hours of duty and violate the current interpretation of the FAA duty time limits. Suprisingly, the captain tried to talk the dispatcher into exceeding the legal limit, over Atlanta radio, so they could proceed to their scheduled destination.

Our duty limits at Comair are 13.5 scheduled (including scheduling changes), 14.5 actual, and 15.5 if the crew agrees to it (as in they want to get home). Your captain sounded tired as heck on the radio, and you need to get some reasonable duty limits in your contract.

This crap gets old. I know the situation and the teenage bar lowering Captain involved. He was even still working on getting his 100 hours of PIC in type. So there was a High mins Captain trying to bust the rules to make CHQ win more Delta flying. Yeah that it. Or maybe he was a guy on reserve who started his reserve period at 4am, slept till 10 am and forgot his duty time started a 4am. Give him a break he had been out of work for a couple of years and was sent to RIC to keep him legal. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** kids with 15 years at US Air now flying as a Jets For Jobs Captain a CHQ. Some body change his Diaper.

Grow up Skidmark.

 

[RegionalFA]

The monthly gurantee of all contracts compared was 75 hours. The value of the rest of the stuff you listed is open to subjectivity and can't be accurately quantified. That isn't misleading or ignorant; it's the cold, hard facts.

those aspects of the contract ARE subjective. You know what? It's the pilot group WITH the contract that has to decide how those factor in. I bet you most of these guys wouldn't give up an avg. of 15 days off, all of their health benefits, etc for an extra 30k. Some of them would. most of them value their QOL. The majority of the pilots obviously weighed the subjective and the "cold hard facts" and made their decision. That's how it works. Grow up already.

I, too, don't think that Comair could strike as they did as an independant carrier in a post 9-11 atmosphere. I think most people know that. It simply wouldn't happen.

 

[jaybird]

I know one thing you Chautauqua guys need to change in your contract. A couple of months ago I was heading south out of DCA and heard a Chautauqua dispatcher call one of your planes and divert them to a field short of their destination because the captain was going to exceed 16 hours of duty and violate the current interpretation of the FAA duty time limits. Suprisingly, the captain tried to talk the dispatcher into exceeding the legal limit, over Atlanta radio, so they could proceed to their scheduled destination.

Our duty limits at Comair are 13.5 scheduled (including scheduling changes), 14.5 actual, and 15.5 if the crew agrees to it (as in they want to get home). Your captain sounded tired as heck on the radio, and you need to get some reasonable duty limits in your contract.

I don't know if this has happened more than once. but my buddy was an FO on the flight when this took place. Scheduling made the error and the CA knew it. He got a call from the CP and head of CS apologizing for the mistake.

 

[Rabid Washcloth]

Just curious if there is a regional out there that has "raised the bar" on the industry wide level since 9/11. It seems like a pilot group cannot just raise "thier" bar, but has to carry the load for every other regional airline too. This is not possible at this time, so any improvement is a plus.

It's obvious the environment has been entirely concessionary for the past 2+ years (painfully so for some). Not just for the regionals, but for anyone that sits in the cockpit.

 

[Corbon]

Originally posted by Walpaper:

Digressing to personal attacks is highly indicative of a failure to master the defense of a position in an oral or written debate.

A personal attack and pointing out the obvious are two seperate issues. My post contained both. But if the above post was written in defense of the person to whom my post was directed, you are defending his personal attack on me and my fellow Chautauqua pilots ("piece of sh!t pilot group" ring a bell?). I'm guessing hypocrisy isn't new to you.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>A couple of months ago I was heading south out of DCA and heard a Chautauqua dispatcher call one of your planes and divert them to a field short of their destination because the captain was going to exceed 16 hours of duty and violate the current interpretation of the FAA duty time limits.<<<

Perhaps I don't fully understand what is being said here, but...

The fact that the flight was dispatched in the first place, or at least that it was off the ground and underway to its destination, means that the reg was already busted. What did landing short of the destination accomplish? If you're already busted, why not land at the intended destination?

Am I way off-base here or what?

 

[Sam Fisher]

Plus ALWAYS VOTE NO TO THE FIRST CONTRACT.

Jet

This is by far one of the dumbest, if not THE dumbest, statement that I have seen on this thread. Well done.

Sam

 

[labbats]

My main complaint is the utter defiance towards double spacing.

Paragraphs people, paragraphs.

 

[ERJpusher]

We have to educate the people coming up in the ranks to not except a job with a company like mesa or chautauqua or any other piece of sh!t company.

LC130driver

And at the same time I have made sure to show these posts to a "very close relative" who happens to on the hiring board at a major. He is thoroughly disgusted and appalled by the level of unprofessionalism displayed recently by the likes of Comair, Xjet, Eagle, etc.

He also feels the need to "educate" the rest of his colleagues as to what companies lack the professionalism and common courtesy to work at his level.

Keep burning your bridges. It makes it easier for the rest of us who CAN get along with other people.

 

[mckpickle]

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya so whats your point? When our negotiators are told to go home because we are asking for more than CHQ or MESABA what the he1l do you expect. Just like the moron on the can in BTV who actually told me the CHQ DID raise the bar.

Learn where the bar is. Your looking up at it. And have made everyone elses job harder.

 

[low-key]

I just bought a big wheel of cheese to go with all this WHINE

 

[mckpickle]

I just bought a big wheel of cheese to go with all this WHINE

Ya well with what they are going to be paying all the regionals its going to be government cheese.

 

[low-key]

there was an FO about a year and a half ago on first year pay at a regional that did infact qualify for government cheese

 

[kepjet]

Ya so whats your point? When our negotiators are told to go home because we are asking for more than CHQ or MESABA what the he1l do you expect. Just like the moron on the can in BTV who actually told me the CHQ DID raise the bar.

Learn where the bar is. Your looking up at it. And have made everyone elses job harder.

You were talking to another guy sitting on the can? Gross!!!

Seriously, I hope you do get more than us, a lot more. Also, I hope that Express Jet does not try to start up an alter-ego carrier to "do the flying that can't be done on the present certificate" (Yeah, we heard that one before w/ Republic). That is the one which cost us in compensation because every time pay came up, so did Republic. How soon people forget the Republic mess.

I wouldn't put it past anyone's management to try this crap.

As for raising this "bar", we did in nearly all areas of our agreement. I agree that we should be getting more money, but I did not vote on our agreement based on compensation alone. We did get a significant raise AND scoped an alter-ego carrier. I am 100 percent willing to sacrafice a little compensation for job security!

On a lighter note, did you have a chance to try Junior's pizza (under the overpass from the Hampton Inn in BTV)? I would sugggest this place or a little Irish bar in Winooski for a Long Trail lager (van drivers know where it is) . Either way, stop talking to guys sitting on the can! They're just talking sh!t. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[T-Bird]

If there's anyone on here from the summer of 2001 you would aknowledge that we did soundly reject the first TA that was proposed to us. If I remember right it was pretty dang close to the pay we got with this new LOA, if not better, but it had a ton of loopholes in it that people weren't ready to accept. Why it took over 2 years to get another TA signed is a whole other story.

 

[Sam Fisher]

McPickle is right. Our NC was sent home by the NMB after management declined to respond to our last compensation proposal. We are down to Scope and Compensation. The very fact that Mesa and CHQ accepted rates as low as they did is why the NMB will be reluctant to let us go out over trying to get Comair rates. Mesa's wonderful contract was what started the tumble southward...with ACA and ARW. Yay. Nothing like making $32k/year as a 5th year FO. Woo hoo.

Sam

 

[Air Biscuit]

You were talking to another guy sitting on the can? Gross!!!

Seriously, I hope you do get more than us, a lot more. Also, I hope that Express Jet does not try to start up an alter-ego carrier to "do the flying that can't be done on the present certificate" (Yeah, we heard that one before w/ Republic). That is the one which cost us in compensation because every time pay came up, so did Republic. How soon people forget the Republic mess.

I wouldn't put it past anyone's management to try this crap.

As for raising this "bar", we did in nearly all areas of our agreement. I agree that we should be getting more money, but I did not vote on our agreement based on compensation alone. We did get a significant raise AND scoped an alter-ego carrier. I am 100 percent willing to sacrafice a little compensation for job security!

I couldn't give a rat's @ss about job security. Who in the he!! cares when you're being paid less than a freaking bus driver. You boys better wake up and realize that just because you love to fly doesn't mean you should do it for nothing and make your family suffer for it. Let them threaten to give away flying. It wouldn't bother me one iota. The fight at X-jet has just begun.

 

[mckpickle]

I couldn't give a rat's @ss about job security. Who in the he!! cares when you're being paid less than a freaking bus driver. You boys better wake up and realize that just because you love to fly doesn't mean you should do it for nothing and make your family suffer for it. Let them threaten to give away flying. It wouldn't bother me one iota. The fight at X-jet has just begun.

They can threaten to take the CAL flying all they want but CAL will be history like Eastern and TWA if we strike. We have more flights than they do!!!!! They put all their eggs in one basket and they are hosed if we walk.


Of course Mesa and CHQ would have been done too but who stood up there?

 

[kepjet]

I couldn't give a rat's @ss about job security. Who in the he!! cares when you're being paid less than a freaking bus driver. You boys better wake up and realize that just because you love to fly doesn't mean you should do it for nothing and make your family suffer for it. Let them threaten to give away flying. It wouldn't bother me one iota. The fight at X-jet has just begun.

Mr. Biscuit,

It's easy to say you don't care about job security but deep down inside you know you do, or at least would if XJET said they were starting another airline which would start the shift of flying from one group to another. That is what we were faced with. I hope you never have that happen to you guys. We gave up a sh1tload to get rid of Republic and still got a decent (not great)contract. Also, we are familiar with having a P.O.S. Mesa contract thrown in our faces duing negotiations. We did a helluva lot better than Mesa did. I also hope you do a helluva lot better than us.

Once again, I hope you guys get the deal you want.

Just a question, not meant to flame or anything, but what else is important to your pilot group other than compensation? Days off, junior manning, per diem, vacation/sick time, etc.? How much would you be willing to give on the above mentioned for better pay? Once again, no flame meant, I'm just curious.