DayJet Mins.

[JimNtexas]

How much useful load will an Eclipse have with two pilots in the front and gas for 300 miles?

 

[Guitar Guy]

That useful load better be at least 2 people because Ed Iacobucci (president and CEO of Dayjet) says that Dayjet needs to fill about 1.3 seats to break even.

See this article: http://www.dayjet.com/News/recentarticles/CNET042505.pdf

 

[Publishers]

The thing about Dayjet is that they need so few travelers to breakeven. The flight plan is not generated until the previous evening.

 

[Diesel]

Who cares about the when the flight plan is generated.

You can plan plan and plan but it all comes apart with one throw of the stone into the pond.

But then again publishers is from the outside looking in. Makes him perfect for mgmt.

 

[gunfyter]

Diesel,

I think the thing that makes it simpler is that they plan on using a limited number of airports.

Sort of like Cape Air with VLJ's instead of 402''s.

 

[LAZYB]

They ought to take lessons from the folks in HR at UAL. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at UAL, mins were 250TT, no turbine let alone jet or PIC time required (during their hiring days). Thats just the opposite of excessive.

Yeah, but that was the product of numerous EOE lawsuits. :smash:

 

[Diesel]

The difference with care and dayjet is numerous.

Cape air/ack air/ect operates from high pax volume airports to high pax volume airports.

BOS-ACK-BOS
BOS-MVY-BOS
BOS-HYA-BOS
BOS-Ptown-HYA-BOS

Schedules like that during the summer. They operate multiple and multiple roundtrips with a "schedule" The 1200 fills up by 1130 then it's gone and the 1200 becomes the 1215 or so. During the summer it's fill n go fill n go.

High volume going to a place where you can't even think of driving to (an island) or would want to drive to in the summer. (anywhere on the cape).

The pax are also what makes cape air work. They know that sometimes on the way to ack a stop in HYA might happen. They know that the weather sucks in mvy or ack. They know the 1200 can leave at 1130 or 1230 depending on load.

Dayjet is going to be flying buisnessmen to a meeting where actually being on time is important. It's not a flight with a bunch of bermuda shorts and nantucket red shirts going out to the islands for the weekend.

Is Dayjet just going to takeoff if it only has one pax and the other one is late?

 

[gunfyter]

Yes I think its going to have to work a little like Cape Air... modified with a bit more complexity but then again they got that super whiz bang computer scheduling program.

 

[Diesel]

yeah any way we can get our hands on that?

Or whiz band scheduling system just goes bang.

 

[VGerect]

but then again they got that super whiz bang computer scheduling program.

What happens during hurricane season when the power to their HAL-9000 goes out for a week?
"I'm sorry Dave I can't do that"

 

[Safetycheck]

Callsign = CAD

What happens during hurricane season when the power to their HAL-9000 goes out for a week?
"I'm sorry Dave I can't do that"

Their callsign should be CAD.

Control - Alt- Delete.

Scary stuff.

 

[jetpilotjay]

Saw the Eclipse at Sun-n-Fun this year. The plane itself looks really nice, but I don't know how its gonna work in charter. Seems like it didn't have a very good paylaod. That's gonna be a little tuff with 2 pilots eating up a good part of the load. I thought this plane was supposed to be the single pilot replacemnent of the owner flown twin. If I remember right, I don't think the single engine climb was much better than a piston twin either, but I could be wrong. Maybe someone has real numbers.

 

[JimNtexas]

I took some pictures of the Eclipse at Oshkosh.

 

[81Horse]

I took some pictures of the Eclipse at Oshkosh.

Where's the rest of the airplane?

 

[gunfyter]

Where's the rest of the airplane?

Where are the training wheels?

 

[Bringupthebird]

HEED THE EXPERTS! HEED THE EXPERTS! ALL MUST FAIL! ALL MUST FAIL! Oh, no, running low on pessimism, must switch to cynicism!

What a bunch of yahoos.

 

[81Horse]

Oh, no, running low on pessimism, must switch to cynicism! What a bunch of yahoos.

What cynicism? I didn't say it wouldn't fly -- it's just small.

As to the business model: it's interesting, and I make no predictions.

 

[Cavpilot]

HEED THE EXPERTS!

I've said it before, I'll say it again...If there was even a remote chance that money could be made wit VLJ's, then you would see NetJets, Citation Shares, et. al. jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[ozpilot]

I've said it before, I'll say it again...If there was even a remote chance that money could be made wit VLJ's, then you would see NetJets, Citation Shares, et. al. jumping on the bandwagon.

Not sure if that is true, I see it as a very different market. Limos make money and so do cabs, but you don't see the limo companies buying cabs ...

 

[Diesel]

Its kind of like surfers and managers.

The managers are out to screw the surfers. Everyonce and a while the surfer will screw the manager with the bill.

inside joke.