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On Your Six said:
Where do you get that impression? Do you have any details? DayJet doesn't sound like a typical fractional or 135 operation. I think it's a bit early to be making those kind of generalized statements.
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Simple economics, and a little forward thinking. How big do you suppose their LA (pick your airport)-Vegas and LA-SFO market will be (when they eventually start it, and they'd be foolish not to)? With LA-SFO maybe they can get away with only catering to businesspeople, but LA-Vegas will not just be businesspeople, and those people will want to travel 7/365. That's not the only market to which this applies. You want to work there, more power to you. But don't come crying here when management suddenly changes schedules on you. You can't say you weren't warned.
 
Wait

Maybe this operation will be different. I happen to know some of the management, and they're from the hi-tech industry. What does that mean? It means they understand that their company will fail or succeed on the backs of their employees. Think "Stock Options". From what I understand of these folks, they are very concerned about the QOL of the pilots, which basically are the company from the customers point of view. If this were a frac op, no doubt things would go downhill quick as demand increased. Maybe not with these folks., We'll see.
 
cjdriver said:
From what I understand of these folks, they are very concerned about the QOL of the pilots
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What an f-ing joke! Their VP of operations has made a career out of hosing pilots! You may want to look before you leap on this one.
 
I agree

The Comair hire does not sound good, but he won't be making decisions on their business plan.
 
Cavpilot said:
What an f-ing joke! Their VP of operations has made a career out of hosing pilots! You may want to look before you leap on this one.
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I'm not quite sure what this guy did at Comair, but whatever he did it was with the blessings of upper management. Perhaps at DayJets, upper management will not tolerate actions similar to what his previous employer was willing to accept.

DayJets sound very unique and interesting. It will be on my radar screen for quite some time.
 
COEX-FO said:
I'm not quite sure what this guy did at Comair, but whatever he did it was with the blessings of upper management. Perhaps at DayJets, upper management will not tolerate actions similar to what his previous employer was willing to accept.

DayJets sound very unique and interesting. It will be on my radar screen for quite some time.
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Good 'cause it'll look like a big fat Level 5 attempting to pound you into the dirt within one year. Mark my words, year one will be great. Lots of new hires touting that the company is the latest and greatest place on earth. year two will bring grumbling from the ranks about how promises are being broken and the "Head Shed" doesn't have a clue how to run an "airline". (Make no mistake, Day Jet is/will be an airline, albeit operating under 135.) Year three will will bring animosity and unrest from the ranks do to a lack of work rules and financial pressures as the company tries to gain critical mass. Sound familiar to you FLOP's and NJA people????
This is nothing more than a variation of whats been done before. Will it succeed? Who knows but I guarantee it will have many of the same old problems inherent to all aviation companies.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...-bonuses_x.htm


Screeners make $23,504 to $44,580 depending on experience

The bonus "isn't going to retain anybody," said Kimberly Kraynak, a $39,000-a-year screener at Pittsburgh International Airport. She called $500 "a joke."

The screener attrition rate grew to 24.5% from about 15% in 2003

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What will be the attrition rate of Jet Captains making only $5K more than airport screeners? 500 PIC Jet to get hired demands a little more. "The gods must be crazy!"

We need my buddy Gulfstream 200 to get on this thread and give us all a dose of reality!
 
G200 can't hes sitting in a marriott on the backside of the world waiting for his owner to decide to go home. Or maybe to just another country.

:)
 
Diesel,

here is my favorite part of the article

TSA chief Kip Hawley told screeners in an April 20 newsletter that the longer they stay on the job, "the higher the performance of their security duties will be." Hiring and training a new screener costs $12,000

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Whats it cost to hire and train a new Jet Captain?

I wonder if the screeners have to sign training contracts?
 
If you leave you have to give back the type rating in the x ray machine.
 
How much useful load will an Eclipse have with two pilots in the front and gas for 300 miles?
 
The thing about Dayjet is that they need so few travelers to breakeven. The flight plan is not generated until the previous evening.
 
Who cares about the when the flight plan is generated.

You can plan plan and plan but it all comes apart with one throw of the stone into the pond.

But then again publishers is from the outside looking in. Makes him perfect for mgmt.
 
Guitar rocker said:
They ought to take lessons from the folks in HR at UAL. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at UAL, mins were 250TT, no turbine let alone jet or PIC time required (during their hiring days). Thats just the opposite of excessive.
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Yeah, but that was the product of numerous EOE lawsuits. :smash:
 
The difference with care and dayjet is numerous.

Cape air/ack air/ect operates from high pax volume airports to high pax volume airports.

BOS-ACK-BOS
BOS-MVY-BOS
BOS-HYA-BOS
BOS-Ptown-HYA-BOS

Schedules like that during the summer. They operate multiple and multiple roundtrips with a "schedule" The 1200 fills up by 1130 then it's gone and the 1200 becomes the 1215 or so. During the summer it's fill n go fill n go.

High volume going to a place where you can't even think of driving to (an island) or would want to drive to in the summer. (anywhere on the cape).

The pax are also what makes cape air work. They know that sometimes on the way to ack a stop in HYA might happen. They know that the weather sucks in mvy or ack. They know the 1200 can leave at 1130 or 1230 depending on load.

Dayjet is going to be flying buisnessmen to a meeting where actually being on time is important. It's not a flight with a bunch of bermuda shorts and nantucket red shirts going out to the islands for the weekend.

Is Dayjet just going to takeoff if it only has one pax and the other one is late?
 
yeah any way we can get our hands on that?

Or whiz band scheduling system just goes bang.
 
gunfyter said:
but then again they got that super whiz bang computer scheduling program.
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What happens during hurricane season when the power to their HAL-9000 goes out for a week?
"I'm sorry Dave I can't do that"
 
Callsign = CAD

VGerect said:
What happens during hurricane season when the power to their HAL-9000 goes out for a week?
"I'm sorry Dave I can't do that"
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Their callsign should be CAD.

Control - Alt- Delete.

Scary stuff.
 
Saw the Eclipse at Sun-n-Fun this year. The plane itself looks really nice, but I don't know how its gonna work in charter. Seems like it didn't have a very good paylaod. That's gonna be a little tuff with 2 pilots eating up a good part of the load. I thought this plane was supposed to be the single pilot replacemnent of the owner flown twin. If I remember right, I don't think the single engine climb was much better than a piston twin either, but I could be wrong. Maybe someone has real numbers.
 
HEED THE EXPERTS! HEED THE EXPERTS! ALL MUST FAIL! ALL MUST FAIL! Oh, no, running low on pessimism, must switch to cynicism!

What a bunch of yahoos.
 
Bringupthebird said:
Oh, no, running low on pessimism, must switch to cynicism! What a bunch of yahoos.
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What cynicism? I didn't say it wouldn't fly -- it's just small.

As to the business model: it's interesting, and I make no predictions.
 
Bringupthebird said:
HEED THE EXPERTS!
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I've said it before, I'll say it again...If there was even a remote chance that money could be made wit VLJ's, then you would see NetJets, Citation Shares, et. al. jumping on the bandwagon.
 
Cavpilot said:
I've said it before, I'll say it again...If there was even a remote chance that money could be made wit VLJ's, then you would see NetJets, Citation Shares, et. al. jumping on the bandwagon.
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Not sure if that is true, I see it as a very different market. Limos make money and so do cabs, but you don't see the limo companies buying cabs ...
 
Its kind of like surfers and managers.

The managers are out to screw the surfers. Everyonce and a while the surfer will screw the manager with the bill.

inside joke. :)
 

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