DayJet Mins.

[Homer Jay]

DayJet's finally posted their hiring minimums...and they are RIDICULOUS!!!

ATP
3000TT
1000 PIC
500 PIC in a Turbojet

I was really interested in working for them but seeing as I don't have 500 turbojet PIC, I guess I won't. Anyone else think that is a little excessive?

 

[gunfyter]

Depends...

Whats the pay?

 

[Guitar rocker]

DayJet's finally posted their hiring minimums...and they are RIDICULOUS!!!

ATP
3000TT
1000 PIC
500 PIC in a Turbojet

I was really interested in working for them but seeing as I don't have 500 turbojet PIC, I guess I won't. Anyone else think that is a little excessive?

They ought to take lessons from the folks in HR at UAL. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at UAL, mins were 250TT, no turbine let alone jet or PIC time required (during their hiring days). Thats just the opposite of excessive.

 

[gunfyter]

Yeah but the Eclipse is Single piloted....

 

[Guitar rocker]

Yeah but the Eclipse is Single piloted....

So were many of the UAL planes that we were all airlining on for a while! Ha ahaha aha!

 

[Guitar rocker]

Yeah but the Eclipse is Single piloted....

In all seriousness, well, I kinda forgot about that part.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

DayJet's finally posted their hiring minimums...and they are RIDICULOUS!!!

ATP
3000TT
1000 PIC
500 PIC in a Turbojet

I was really interested in working for them but seeing as I don't have 500 turbojet PIC, I guess I won't. Anyone else think that is a little excessive?

Why is it ridiculous to expect that a pilot in command of an unproven jet for a new company carrying passengers for hire should have 500 hours of turbojet PIC? If I were paying for one of those seats I'd want to make sure my pilot had some PIC experience in a jet aircraft.

-Neal

 

[Slice121]

They ought to take lessons from the folks in HR at UAL. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at UAL, mins were 250TT, no turbine let alone jet or PIC time required (during their hiring days). Thats just the opposite of excessive.

So, your saying DayJet is going to be an all female pilot group? DOH! (I keed, I keed)

 

[Captn]

Dayjet Mins

Their website states: Initially they will operate with a crew of 2. That being the case, 500 hrs PIC Turbojet for the Right Seat, does seem a bit on the high side. IMO

 

[GVFlyer]

Their website states: Initially they will operate with a crew of 2. That being the case, 500 hrs PIC Turbojet for the Right Seat, does seem a bit on the high side. IMO

If I was in the back I wouldn't think so.


GV

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Actually according to thier website they will be flown with 2 pilots not 1

 

[paulsalem]

If you think you're shocked. Just wait until at the rich people trade their cirrus in for a VLJ and then go to call for an insurance quote.

Atleast the VLJs will make small holes.

 

[AeroBoy]

Those minimums, which are for captains (DayJet is hiring only captains initially), is because DayJet wants to maintain an ARG/US Platinum rating. Starting salary is $50,000, but it's the quality of life that make the job--start and end at the same airport, nine-hour shift (6 am-3 pm or 2 pm to 11 pm), weekends/holidays off, two weeks of vacation, med/dental/vision/life insurance, etc.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The 9-hour shift doesn't sound bad. But I wonder what happens when Mr. or Mrs. Moneybags is late getting to the airport near the end of the pilots' shift. I can't believe DayJet would strand a passenger. And if they already have passengers onboard, I wonder what DayJet's policy will be for late-showing passengers.

It'll be an interesting market segment to watch as it develops.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Starting salary is $50,000, but it's the quality of life that make the job--start and end at the same airport, nine-hour shift (6 am-3 pm or 2 pm to 11 pm), weekends/holidays off, two weeks of vacation, med/dental/vision/life insurance, etc.

So rich people don't want to fly on weekends or holidays? Right. We'll see how long that lasts.

 

[Homer Jay]

I guess the only thing I really find excessive is that 500 hours of your PIC must be in a TurboJET. I have plenty of Turbine PIC, too bad it's in a turboprop.

 

[p3hawk]

I don't think I'll give up my Falcon job, sounds great if youre a retired airline type though.

 

[gunfyter]

Well I think the requirements are excessive for $50K Captains. If they get big we may have to Strong unionize them.

 

[Chewbacca]

Those minimums, which are for captains (DayJet is hiring only captains initially), is because DayJet wants to maintain an ARG/US Platinum rating. Starting salary is $50,000, but it's the quality of life that make the job--start and end at the same airport, nine-hour shift (6 am-3 pm or 2 pm to 11 pm), weekends/holidays off, two weeks of vacation, med/dental/vision/life insurance, etc.

haha, is this for real? Sounds good on paper, but so did communism.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Isn't Dayjet 135 charter? Why is this thread in the fractionals? I was reading on another aviation board where a guy wanted to come to NJA and build turbine time so he could get on with Dayjet. I had not laughed that hard in awhile.

 

[On Your Six]

The target market is not necessarily the leisure market - it's the business traveller who has day-trip requirements (hence the name). I am sure there are plenty of business travellers who could use Dayjet to fly them between places like Jacksonville and Naples or Birmingham and Boca Raton - not easily reached via airlines. I've read that they plan to charge between $1-$3 per mile.

I agree that this sounds like a great job for retired airline pilots initially. Looks like a fun aircraft to fly and the schedule isn't bad. However, living in Florida on $50K for a non-retiree would be difficult.

Anyone know where the initial pilot bases would be other than PBI (I think that is where HQ is located)?

 

[p3hawk]

Think about all the furloughed pilots that might jump at this opportunity. $50k is better than nothing. especially working from 6-3.

 

[gunfyter]

I think the civilian Flight Instructors the AirForce used in single engine Cessna's out in Hondo, TX started in the 60K+ range.50K to fly a two engine jet single piloted....The gods must be crazy.

 

[Cavpilot]

Depends...

Whats the pay?

This is Don Osmunson's (Oz) outfit. Ask any senior Comair guy about how this guy runs things. I would not go there for any amount of money.

 

[RNObased]

So rich people don't want to fly on weekends or holidays? Right. We'll see how long that lasts.

According to the article on them today in the USA today, they are going after middle management types..... Hardly rich people IMHO..... The truely wealthy won't be caught dead on that jet....

 

[sweptwingz]

I sincerely wish Day Jet crews well, but as often as "lightweight" fractional jets go T/U on the road for MX, make darn sure that you have a small overnight bag with you! Rest assured, Day Jets crews won't ALWAYS be getting home each night. Especially on a brand new design that will be probably be "over-cycled" past standard design cycle limits like ALL fractional aircraft are.

 

[Corona]

I sincerely wish Day Jet crews well, but as often as "lightweight" fractional jets go T/U on the road for MX, make darn sure that you have a small overnight bag with you! Rest assured, Day Jets crews won't ALWAYS be getting home each night. Especially on a brand new design that will be probably be "over-cycled" past standard design cycle limits like ALL fractional aircraft are.

An overnight bag is always a good idea in turbine equipment.

However, the Eclipse has been specifically designed from Day One to put up with this type of high-cycle flying. It is a rather sophisticated airplane (autothrottles, etc), but has simple systems; ie no hydraulic, only electric; basic flight control systems, etc.

It's been tailored specifically for its customers' use. Funny; that's the same philosophy that Boeing and Airbus have had for years. Odd that the other corporate manufacturers whose names start with B, C, D, G and R haven't modified their philosophies given the frac model...

C

 

[Ultra Grump]

According to the article on them today in the USA today, they are going after middle management types..... Hardly rich people IMHO..... The truely wealthy won't be caught dead on that jet....

Whatever. According to the article, it'll be $3-4 per mile. With fuel costs, more likely $4 or more. Using the example of MGM-JAN, at $4/mile for 188 air miles is $752. Not many non-rich people want to pay that much to go less than 200 miles. In any case, that was not the point. Regardless of whether they're rich or not, anyone going to DayJet thinking they won't be working weekends and holidays will be in for a rude awakening.

 

[On Your Six]

Whatever. According to the article, it'll be $3-4 per mile. With fuel costs, more likely $4 or more. Using the example of MGM-JAN, at $4/mile for 188 air miles is $752. Not many non-rich people want to pay that much to go less than 200 miles. In any case, that was not the point. Regardless of whether they're rich or not, anyone going to DayJet thinking they won't be working weekends and holidays will be in for a rude awakening.[/quote]

Where do you get that impression? Do you have any details? DayJet doesn't sound like a typical fractional or 135 operation. I think it's a bit early to be making those kind of generalized statements.

Dayjet will need good and qualified pilots in order to ensure safety. And with a salary of only $50K or so initially, QOL will probably be a big retention factor...

 

[Guitar Guy]

An overnight bag is always a good idea in turbine equipment.

An overnight bag is good advice for any equipment, turbine or piston. Things break regardless of the type of powerplant.

However, the Eclipse has been specifically designed from Day One to put up with this type of high-cycle flying. It is a rather sophisticated airplane (autothrottles, etc), but has simple systems; ie no hydraulic, only electric; basic flight control systems, etc.

It's been tailored specifically for its customers' use. Funny; that's the same philosophy that Boeing and Airbus have had for years. Odd that the other corporate manufacturers whose names start with B, C, D, G and R haven't modified their philosophies given the frac model...

Embraer had a history of building regional airline equipment before the introduction of their jets and yet American Eagle had a lot of trouble upon the introduction of the ERJ's. Note, too, that JetBlue is having so-called teething troubles with their E-190's. So while Eclipse might well be trying to design high-cylce usage into their planes, the results of that effort are yet to be seen.

By the way, Cessna has tried to build the Sovereign with an eye towards the fractionals. Similarly, the long-delayed Hawker 4000 (nee Horizon) is also supposed to take into account that many of the operators will be fractionals, according to Raytheon.