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Delta Pilots Offer $90.7M in Concessions

Published: 11/9/05


ATLANTA (AP) - The pilots union at bankrupt Delta Air Lines Inc. said in a court filing it is offering the carrier an average of nearly $91 million a year in concessions, which the union contends is sufficient to help Delta trim labor costs to a competitive level.
The disclosure came Thursday in an objection the Air Line Pilots Association filed in response to Delta's request to void its pilot contract. If granted, Delta is likely to impose $325 million in concessions, including a 19.5 percent pay cut and other benefit and work rule changes.
Atlanta-based Delta currently has about 6,000 active pilots, who agreed last year to $1 billion in contract concessions as the airline sought to avoid Chapter 11.
The union filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York said Delta's Sept. 14 bankruptcy was not because of its labor contract, or competition from discount carriers, but was caused by soaring fuel costs.
In its court filing, ALPA said the $90.7 million average annual concessions over four years would be more than enough to meet Delta's stated goal of reducing its pilot costs per available seat mile.
The union said that if Delta rejects its contract "and imposes the draconian terms on the plots set forth in (its) proposal, the pilots will be angry, frustrated and demoralized." The union said the contract's rejection would give pilots the right to strike, and it warned a walkout would devastate Delta.
Company spokeswoman Chris Kelly would say only that Delta remained committed to reaching a consensual agreement with the union, repeating an earlier statement.
In a letter to pilots Wednesday, Lee Moak, the chairman of the union's executive committee, said the pilots "will not willingly work without a contract."
A group representing retired Delta pilots filed a motion Wednesday in bankruptcy court objecting to Delta's request to reject the pilot contract. The objection accused Delta of acting in bad faith by ceasing certain pension payments despite the contract still being in effect.
Also Wednesday, the union encouraged members to pack a Nov. 15 rally scheduled for suburban Atlanta to defend their contract.
Atlanta-based Delta has lost nearly $10 billion since January 2001. The company is scheduled to release its third-quarter results on Thursday.
Delta has said that although it expects a more than $2 billion loss this year before one-time items, it believes it will return to profitability two years from now if, among other things, it can get the pilot concessions it is seeking and jet fuel doesn't get more costly.
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We have already given $1 billion a year for atleast 5 years, probably more with negotiations added on. Grinstein says "do it once, do it right." Then fuel spikes. We now may give an additional $91 million a year, not counting the eventual dropping of the pensions (United will save over $645 million a year by dropping their pensions). This is going to get interesting indeed.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
We have already given $1 billion a year for atleast 5 years, probably more with negotiations added on. Grinstein says "do it once, do it right." Then fuel spikes. We now may give an additional $91 million a year, not counting the eventual dropping of the pensions (United will save over $645 million a year by dropping their pensions). This is going to get interesting indeed.


Bye Bye--General Lee

It will be interesting if you practise what you've been preaching on here. I know you know what I mean.
 
Why don’t the Delta pilots just demand “United +1%”. Heck, it worked for them last time!

Delta management will definitely play hardball with this one. They will probably receive permission from the judge to cancel the contract. It will be interesting to see if the pilots actually strike.
 
“The union said that if Delta rejects its contract "and imposes the draconian terms on the plots set forth in (its) proposal, the pilots will be angry, frustrated and demoralized." The union said the contract's rejection would give pilots the right to strike, and it warned a walkout would devastate Delta.”
Angry, frustrated, and demoralized - That’s exactly how all Delta employees felt when the pilot group staged a sick-out during the holidays of 2000 and forced the cancellation of hundreds of flights. The Delta employees felt the same frustration and demoralization in the summer of 2001 when the pilot group walked picket lines and threatened to strike while demanding “United +1%” .
They should demand United +1% now! What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.
 
Buckaroo said:
“The union said that if Delta rejects its contract "and imposes the draconian terms on the plots set forth in (its) proposal, the pilots will be angry, frustrated and demoralized." The union said the contract's rejection would give pilots the right to strike, and it warned a walkout would devastate Delta.”
Angry, frustrated, and demoralized - That’s exactly how all Delta employees felt when the pilot group staged a sick-out during the holidays of 2000 and forced the cancellation of hundreds of flights. The Delta employees felt the same frustration and demoralization in the summer of 2001 when the pilot group walked picket lines and threatened to strike while demanding “United +1%” .
They should demand United +1% now! What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.


Why don't you get on your tug and drive away. The pilots have given there fair share to the companies mis management. Everyone is hurting. Wouldn't you have tried to negotiate if you had the opportunity, oh I see you were willing to give that sick time, pay, vacation.

One thing others need to think about is, when the pilots get raises it brings up the bar for everyone else. Also, mgt is wanting to farm out more flying and this effect everyone at the company!
 
Buckaroo said:
“The union said that if Delta rejects its contract "and imposes the draconian terms on the plots set forth in (its) proposal, the pilots will be angry, frustrated and demoralized." The union said the contract's rejection would give pilots the right to strike, and it warned a walkout would devastate Delta.”
Angry, frustrated, and demoralized - That’s exactly how all Delta employees felt when the pilot group staged a sick-out during the holidays of 2000 and forced the cancellation of hundreds of flights. The Delta employees felt the same frustration and demoralization in the summer of 2001 when the pilot group walked picket lines and threatened to strike while demanding “United +1%” .
They should demand United +1% now! What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.


There was no sickout sport. Many guys refused to fly overtime over the holidays and decided to spend time with their Families. Had management properly staffed the airline, it would not have been an issue. Get your head out of your ass!
 
800Dog said:
There was no sickout sport. Many guys refused to fly overtime over the holidays and decided to spend time with their Families. Had management properly staffed the airline, it would not have been an issue. Get your head out of your ass!

You say Tomayto, I say Tomahto. Same difference, sport.
 
General Lee said:
(United will save over $645 million a year by dropping their pensions). This is going to get interesting indeed.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Don't forget that UAL replaced the pensions with new retirement plans, so the savings is not the whole $645 million.
 
Buckaroo said:
Why don’t the Delta pilots just demand “United +1%”. Heck, it worked for them last time!

Delta management will definitely play hardball with this one. They will probably receive permission from the judge to cancel the contract. It will be interesting to see if the pilots actually strike.

I think we will. And, there are way too many people who make a lot of money off of our gravy train, so they may pressure the company to settle. You don't just roll over and let them grab everything. They told the judge they needed $325 million worth, and then they ask for what really amounts to double that, and then doesn't negotiate. Sorry.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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