DALPA counter proposal- pay attn NWA

[Buckaroo]

Man you're cool. Sounds like you deserve very little.

Bye Bye--General Lee

C'mon General Lee, why don't you guys demand United +1% and march in mindless lockstep a block from headquarters like you did last time?

It will work again, trust me!

 

[banger]

Hey GL
Did you read "Airline without a pilot" ? by Harry Nolan Jr.
Great book on the DAL recent failure. I got it online for like $25. Really shows how Gerry was asleep at the wheel when he was on the DAL board compensation panel when Leo packed all those golden parachutes. It does a good job documenting all the things the guys on the DAL forum have been saying. I highly recommend it.
Adios - Banger

 

[General Lee]

Hey GL
Did you read "Airline without a pilot" ? by Harry Nolan Jr.
Great book on the DAL recent failure. I got it online for like $25. Really shows how Gerry was asleep at the wheel when he was on the DAL board compensation panel when Leo packed all those golden parachutes. It does a good job documenting all the things the guys on the DAL forum have been saying. I highly recommend it.
Adios - Banger

Nah, I was here the whole time WATCHING it. This whole deal now with concessions is to see what is fair. I am for giving up some pay to help the company, but not a dime over what really is needed. This is a total grab bag, they are going for everything. I enjoy my job, but I won't become a slave. Most of us feel the same I believe. Sure, there could be a lot of umemployed pilots after a strike, but the same goes with a bunch of unemployed management types that are making a killing right now, and many creditors getting very little for their investment. I think the $91 million offer is just the start of some intense negotiations. If it all doesn't work out for me, maybe I will start a computer service called "ASK GENERAL LEE"--and I will dole out advice on love, investments, and airline hiring. I think it will be as big as Google. Am I right people? Sure I am.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CFIT]

I think we will. And, there are way too many people who make a lot of money off of our gravy train, so they may pressure the company to settle. You don't just roll over and let them grab everything. They told the judge they needed $325 million worth, and then they ask for what really amounts to double that, and then doesn't negotiate. Sorry.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I think Delta is sick and tired of DALPA dragging their feet on negotiations the whole time all the other employee groups have taken cuts. I don't blame them taking this to the judge, if left up to DALPA you guys would dick with this for the next 18 months.

And remember General toolee, you are supposed to blame all these problems on RJ's.

 

[General Lee]

I think Delta is sick and tired of DALPA dragging their feet on negotiations the whole time all the other employee groups have taken cuts. I don't blame them taking this to the judge, if left up to DALPA you guys would dick with this for the next 18 months.

And remember General toolee, you are supposed to blame all these problems on RJ's.

So right you are! The RJs have NOT helped our situation at all, and companies like SkyWest have been "insulated" (a la Ron Reber) from high fuel costs, leaving us with the bill. Without those savings, SkyWest would be the next Indy Air.

So, we are draggin our feet, huh? I guess you have never thought that a management could TAKE ADVANTAGE of the only union at a large company? Nah, you aren't that smart to think of that. And, the other employees cuts aren't even close to what we have taken. (% wise) Sure, they like to add that they have had huge health care additions plus the 10% pay cuts. So have we, plus 33% pay cuts. They don't tell you that. They seem to add the healthcare additions to their cuts, and think we haven't had the same. Wrong. Have a great one!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Ty Webb]

Here's to some blue goo for you . . . .

C'mon General Lee, why don't you guys demand United +1% and march in mindless lockstep a block from headquarters like you did last time?

It will work again, trust me!

I don't know where to even start with this one.

Anyone that is so titillated at watching this carrier be destroyed by incompetent management, and gets his jollies by coming on here baiting the Delta pilots and blaming them for this situation- well, you really don't deserve to be a part of this profession, from what I can see.

I think a lav truck is probably the best place for you . . . . inside of one, that is.

 

[proftomda]

I agree with Ty Webb about baiting the Delta pilots on this forum. It does no good at this point. The General I think needs to be careful when he exclaims that the other employee groups have not sacrificed as much % wise as the pilot group. Excluding upper management, DL non pilot employee groups compensation was between 65-85% of the highest in the industry before pay cuts, depending on position. The pilot groups compensation was the highest in the industry by a large margin before cuts. Its logical therefore that the pilot group would have to sacrifice a larger percentage of their compensation.

 

[CFIT]

So right you are! The RJs have NOT helped our situation at all, and companies like SkyWest have been "insulated" (a la Ron Reber) from high fuel costs, leaving us with the bill. Without those savings, SkyWest would be the next Indy Air.

You truly live in a vacuum.

Have you been drug tested lately?

 

[General Lee]

I agree with Ty Webb about baiting the Delta pilots on this forum. It does no good at this point. The General I think needs to be careful when he exclaims that the other employee groups have not sacrificed as much % wise as the pilot group. Excluding upper management, DL non pilot employee groups compensation was between 65-85% of the highest in the industry before pay cuts, depending on position. The pilot groups compensation was the highest in the industry by a large margin before cuts. Its logical therefore that the pilot group would have to sacrifice a larger percentage of their compensation.

That's what happens when you pay money to a union to get you a good contract. When you don't protect yourself, you are open to losing what you have. Also, look at the average age and compensation of our flight attendants at Delta compared to Airtran and Southwest. We now make about the same as those pilots, or less, when our flight attendants are twice as old and compensated twice as much, compared to all of their new hires. I could possibly see past that if our flight attendants posted good numbers in the Zagat survey or some other survey, but our mainline product consistantly is low to poor. (Song is great) That is one area we do need to cut back and weed out the grumpy ones.(which will save us more money---hire younger, cheaper, more enthusiastic ones)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You truly live in a vacuum.

Have you been drug tested lately?

Yes, two weeks ago. I passed!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CFIT]

Yes, two weeks ago. I passed!


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well that leaves only one other thing to explain your logic.

Maybe car has an exhaust leak......

 

[cocknbull]

cfit,

Pilots get sick of taking pay cuts that management uses to give themselves bonuses and start a fare war. Delta's goal has always been to get to bankruptcy and reorganize; the pilots were the only ones smart enough to figure it out.

I hope DAL management knows Good Goes Around.

 

[MedFlyer]

the pilots were the only ones smart enough to figure it out.

They were? Then why did they give $1Billion in concessions last year.

 

[737 Pylt]

C'mon General Lee, why don't you guys demand United +1% and march in mindless lockstep a block from headquarters like you did last time?

It will work again, trust me!

Why don't you leave the negotiations to the grownups junior!!! I sure am glad that someone's demise is your jolly. Maybe the next airline that goes CHP 7. liquidation, you can pivot at your next circle jerk!
737

 

[skydan]

So what's the rate

So what will be the new rate for a 737 12 year Capt.?

I guess around $65 an hour?