ACL65PILOT
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Truly Amazing!!!!
How is it truly amazing? It is amazing to me that intelligent people could read ALPA policy, which makes no mention of DOH as a consideration, sign an agreement that our arbitrators will rule based on ALPA policy, and then make nothing but a DOH argument.
Look, if you can justify any pilot going ahead of any other pilot for a reason other than DOH, fine. Give me the reasons and I would consider them.
The day you got hired at NW means nothing. The day I got hired at Delta means nothing. It is what has happened since then, and what is most likely to happen going forward, that matters.
I think that you can make a case either way, from either side. Strict interpretation of ALPA merger policy says yes in this case.
Is there a reason you are involved in something which has nothing to do with you? You seem much more interested in Delta goings on than ASA. Wee wee envy I guess. Most of the guys I fly with that know you pretty much all agree on that. Is there anybody over there that likes you?
.Is it fair to put a NWA 1999 hire below a 2007 Delta hire?
Michael, for arguments sake, let's say Virgin America was ALPA. Your using a "relative seniority" argument.....The senior most Virgin America pilot has what....1-2 years with the company....Where would he go in your version of a "fair" list if Delta and Virgin America merged?
You know very well that ALPA merger policy takes career expectations into account while prohibiting windfalls for either side. In the case of a legacy merger with a carrier like Virgin America, a ratio wouldn't be a fair integration. You have to look at each situation individually. Simply demanding DOH for all situations is absurd.
Is it fair that a 1999 peso is worth less than a 2007 euro?
What does the date the coin was minted have to do with comparing the equities inherent in each coin?
Point out DOH.
1. The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint session, the merger representatives should attempt to match equities to various methods of integration until a fair and equitable agreement is reached, keeping in mind the following goals, in no particular order:
a. Preserve jobs.
b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the other.
c. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pay and standard of living.
d. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pilot status.
e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.
Actually in the case I used.....DOH would be better for the Delta pilots than any ratio with Virgin....Their senior pilot only has a little over a year....
Back to your "career expectations" BS.....Did the 1999 Northwest hire have less "expectations" then the 2007 Delta hire?
Just stirring the pot
The terms "fair" and "career expectations" are in eye of the beholder......Using "fair" and "career expectations" as cornerstone of any merger policy is a recipe for failure and will result in a group that isn't unified.....
This is going just about the way I expected....The fireworks will really start after the decision and the furloughs start....Someone pass the popcorn.....