DAL vs LUV!

[BILL LUMBERG]

Delta wins the 2013 "Forgot to stay on the runway when we actually landed on the runway" award.

At least we don't hurt anybody....Memba this?? Those darn reversers and auto brakes!!!

3.2 Probable Cause
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the pilots? failure to use available reverse thrust in a timely manner to safely slow or stop the airplane after landing, which resulted in a runway overrun. This failure occurred because the pilots? first experience and lack of familiarity with the airplane?s autobrake system distracted them from thrust reverser usage during the challenging landing.
Contributing to the accident were Southwest Airlines? 1) failure to provide its pilots with clear and consistent guidance and training regarding company policies and procedures related to arrival landing distance calculations; 2) programming and design of its on board performance computer, which did not present inherent assumptions in the program critical to pilot decision-making; 3) plan to implement new autobrake procedures without a familiarization period; and 4) failure to include a margin of safety in the arrival assessment to account for operational uncertainties. Also contributing to the accident was the pilots? failure to divert to another airport given reports that included poor braking actions and a tailwind component greater than 5 knots. Contributing to the severity of the accident was the absence of an engineering materials arresting system, which was needed because of the limited runway safety area beyond the departure end of runway 31C.

 

[Donald]

At least we don't hurt anybody....Memba this?? Those darn reversers and auto brakes!!!

3.2 Probable Cause
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the pilots? failure to use available reverse thrust in a timely manner to safely slow or stop the airplane after landing, which resulted in a runway overrun. This failure occurred because the pilots? first experience and lack of familiarity with the airplane?s autobrake system distracted them from thrust reverser usage during the challenging landing.
Contributing to the accident were Southwest Airlines? 1) failure to provide its pilots with clear and consistent guidance and training regarding company policies and procedures related to arrival landing distance calculations; 2) programming and design of its on board performance computer, which did not present inherent assumptions in the program critical to pilot decision-making; 3) plan to implement new autobrake procedures without a familiarization period; and 4) failure to include a margin of safety in the arrival assessment to account for operational uncertainties. Also contributing to the accident was the pilots? failure to divert to another airport given reports that included poor braking actions and a tailwind component greater than 5 knots. Contributing to the severity of the accident was the absence of an engineering materials arresting system, which was needed because of the limited runway safety area beyond the departure end of runway 31C.

Sure I remember that. Remember this? Those darn sea walls.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/specials...h-history/zbGr15TdiWPNlVFCPREfcL/picture.html

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Sure I remember that. Remember this? Those darn sea walls.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/specials...h-history/zbGr15TdiWPNlVFCPREfcL/picture.html

Oh yeah...I remember.....was SWA even around back then?

 

[Remington]

Really Bill?

Those darn pesky flaps that need to be set for takeoff: Flight 1141 ring a bell?

"The aircraft crashed while attempting to depart runway 18L at DFW. Failure of the crew to ensure that the flaps/slats were properly configured for takeoff."

Airliners crash, people make mistakes, hopefully someday there will be a way to take human error out of aviation.

After Madison, I hear there is a "chain" mod for 737 tires. You and SWA might benefit!!

 

[Remington]

For Bill:

And those pesky ILS's: Flt 554.

The aircraft was executing the ILS/DME approach to runway 13 at New York's La Guardia Airport in high rain and heavy winds. Just before touchdown, the aircraft's right wing struck the approach light stancions, causing a loss of airspeed and reduction of lift. The landing gear impacted the sea wall at the end of the runway concrete, sheared off, and the aircraft slid some 2700 feet down the runway, coming to rest 180? off its original heading. Emergency vehicles were immediately dispatched, the aircraft was evacuated, and no one was seriously injured. There was no fire. The NTSB cited cause for the accident: Known flight into hazardous weather conditions.

Throw in NWA, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

I'm done. Stay on the hard road my friend!

 

[Remington]

Oh yeah...I remember.....was SWA even around back then?

1971 - Southwest begins flying between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. The idea for the airline was hatched over drinks by San Antonio lawyer Herb Kelleher and one of his clients, Rollin King, who ran a small charter service in Texas.

1972 - Southwest was forced to sell one of its four planes to meet payroll. Employees made up for the lost jet by turning planes around and starting the next flight in 10 minutes. In a 2008 interview, Kelleher called this the airline's most challenging time.

1973 - Southwest makes money, starting a string of 36 straight profitable years.

1978 - Herb Kelleher becomes interim CEO for several months, and gets the job full-time in 1981.

1979 - Southwest begins service in New Orleans. Until Congress deregulated the airline industry (in 1978), Southwest couldn't fly beyond Texas.

1982 - Expands service to California.

1985 - Begins service at Chicago's Midway Airport. Acquires a competitor, Muse Air.

1989 - Annual revenue passes $1 billion.

I think at that point, DAL starting farming out all your flying to RJs to compete driving yall allowing the worst Codeshare language in history and leading to how many bankruptcies?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Oh that's right....

Southwest is a MAJOR airline now.....my bad....stay classy LuvBirds

 

[Remington]

Oh that's right....

Southwest is a MAJOR airline now.....my bad....stay classy LuvBirds

Good one! SLAM-tastic!

But not a legacy. That would include not paying bills, robbing pensions, and declaring bankruptcy.

 

[Donald]

Oh that's right....

Southwest is a MAJOR airline now.....my bad....stay classy LuvBirds

Although I got a chuckle out of this, I really don't care for the brand bashing. I've had good experiences on Delta and I have a lot of friends there.

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah- they're SELLOUTS that like to outsource and steal profits from regionals- and kinda douchie with the suit and shuttles, but they've always treated me well.

It really is particularly trashy to start throwing around crashes.

Could've been SWA later who didn't set flaps- but a takeoff configured warning made it a non-event. Could've been us hitting a massive microburst on final into love, but now train that exact scenario and have winds hear warning.

Fellas. Aviation history and technology and procedures is written in blood.

And guess what Bill knows we have a better safety record by far since our inception- but honestly- the subject just deserves more respect and humility than throwing it around as jabs

 

[freightdogfred]

And guess what Bill knows we have a better safety record by far since our inception- but honestly- the subject just deserves more respect and humility than throwing it around as jabs

If you truly believed that you'd shut your pie hole and not chime in with a last jab. But you can't.

 

[DTW320]

The aircraft was executing the ILS/DME approach to runway 13 at New York's La Guardia Airport in high rain and heavy winds. Just before touchdown.

There's the problem right there. I think most of us could handle heavy rain and high winds, but change it around on us and look what happens....

 

[waveflyer]

If you truly believed that you'd shut your pie hole and not chime in with a last jab. But you can't.

I'm sorry, any of what I said not accurate?
We do have a better safety record - but I do have perspective enough to know that we've benefitted from every accident in history

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Yeah- they're SELLOUTS that like to outsource and steal profits from regionals- and kinda douchie with the suit and shuttles, but they've always treated me well.

It really is particularly trashy to start throwing around crashes.

Could've been SWA later who didn't set flaps- but a takeoff configured warning made it a non-event. Could've been us hitting a massive microburst on final into love, but now train that exact scenario and have winds hear warning.

Fellas. Aviation history and technology and procedures is written in blood.

And guess what Bill knows we have a better safety record by far since our inception- but honestly- the subject just deserves more respect and humility than throwing it around as jabs

I didn't start with the crash and off the runway discussion....just counter punching.

And yet you kept the broken record playing. C'mon wave, set the example.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

'The lady(s) doth protest too much, methinks.'