DAL Regional Feed?

[crj567]

Anyone able to view that web conference on Thurs where DAL mentioned its plan for regional feed?
-Can't load it for some reason....

 

[JumpersAway]

Yea, don't waste your time trying to load it. It's about as clear as mud, and danced all over the point without yielding a single fact, projection, or plan for the future.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

100 less 50 seaters by this time next year. (More 76 seaters on the way)

 

[RiddleEagle18]

100 less 50 seaters by this time next year. (More 76 seaters on the way)

How??? Havent they reached the 120 limit?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Not yet.
They can also buy more 70's if they want to.
Also for every mainline jet we get DCI gets three more 76 seaters.
So 10 777 and 15 737-700's equals 75 more 76 seat jets.
Up to 255 total.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Not yet.
They can also buy more 70's if they want to.
Also for every mainline jet we get DCI gets three more 76 seaters.
So 10 777 and 15 737-700's equals 75 more 76 seat jets.
Up to 255 total.

I assume they are retiring 88's at the same time? I understand the 3 more 76 for 1 mainline is off of a base fleet number. The more 70-76 seats the less major jobs :-( oh well I guess we all have that pilot shortage to look forward too.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Te retirements of the 88 as with everything is on hold until after the merger.

 

[DoinTime]

Not yet.
They can also buy more 70's if they want to.
Also for every mainline jet we get DCI gets three more 76 seaters.
So 10 777 and 15 737-700's equals 75 more 76 seat jets.
Up to 255 total.

By my count here is whats flying now or scheduled to be delivered:

Comair = 18
Pinnacle = 16
Mesa = 14
Mesaba = 36
Compass = 36

That totals 120 76-seaters. I have heard that Skywest has also converted their -900s to the 76 seat configuration instead of 70 seats.

I wouldn't expect fleet growth after the merger. One thing that has never happened in the history of airlines is a net increase in capacity after a merger.

I would agree that the 70 seat market is still wide open for a good number of those aircraft to go into service. I would expect to see an additional pull down of 50-seaters in exchange for 70-seaters.

 

[crj567]

What I can't figure is how come they are giving all the growth to Pinnacle-I mean, really? Are you serious? Let's be frank, there are better options with a much better reputation.....

 

[DoinTime]

What I can't figure is how come they are giving all the growth to Pinnacle-I mean, really? Are you serious? Let's be frank, there are better options with a much better reputation.....

From a corporate perspective what are the better options?

 

[titans10]

Do you think Pinnacle will be one of the DCI after the merger?

 

[OUPilot]

wholey owned

 

[titans10]

Right

 

[DoinTime]

Do you think Pinnacle will be one of the DCI after the merger?

Yes. Do you think otherwise? If so, what is your reasoning?

 

[701EV]

Well it looks like being wholly owned is working well for Comair. NOT!

It's anybodys guess what happens in the next year. Other than Delta is going to have 40% of the RJ fleet.

ASA has improved drastically in the last 9 months. Delta wont even throw us a bone. So doing a good job dosen't help either. It's all about what we cost!

I give it 6 months and we are going to hear we cost to much. Unless oil goes to $60.00 a barrel

701EV

 

[777forever]

Well it looks like being wholly owned is working well for Comair. NOT!

It's anybodys guess what happens in the next year. Other than Delta is going to have 40% of the RJ fleet.

ASA has improved drastically in the last 9 months. Delta wont even throw us a bone. So doing a good job dosen't help either. It's all about what we cost!

I give it 6 months and we are going to hear we cost to much. Unless oil goes to $60.00 a barrel

701EV

What were they going to throw us? Over the past 9 months Delta's done nothing but cut and cancel regional contracts. Our 900 program isn't even completed yet either. We all just need to be patient at ASA.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

We all just need to be patient at ASA.

Delta doesn't like ASA. SKYW doesn't like ASA. Passengers don't like ASA. Who likes ASA?

 

[buscap]

I like ASA!!!

 

[B727FA]

By my count here is whats flying now or scheduled to be delivered:

Comair = 18
Pinnacle = 16
Mesa = 14
Mesaba = 36
Compass = 36

(Yeah, just go ahead and ignore the 16 at RAH.)

 

[sweptback]

What were they going to throw us? Over the past 9 months Delta's done nothing but cut and cancel regional contracts. Our 900 program isn't even completed yet either. We all just need to be patient at ASA.

You know why our 900 program isn't complete? We don't have any airplanes to get it certified.

 

[clarkwgriswald]

Well it looks like being wholly owned is working well for Comair. NOT!

It's anybodys guess what happens in the next year. Other than Delta is going to have 40% of the RJ fleet.

ASA has improved drastically in the last 9 months. Delta wont even throw us a bone. So doing a good job dosen't help either. It's all about what we cost!

I give it 6 months and we are going to hear we cost to much. Unless oil goes to $60.00 a barrel

701EV

Comair, flying wise at least, will be liquidated by this time next year. Maybe asa will get the 13 or 14 900s comair has.

 

[BigLebowski]

Find it hard to believe that SkyW wont' be getting a piece of the pie considering the contract JA signed with Delta after the ASA purchase.

 

[Caspian27]

There are 17 900's in service for SkyWest now, with 4 more coming for a total of 21 in service for Delta.

 

[DoinTime]

(Yeah, just go ahead and ignore the 16 at RAH.)

Do they have more than 70 seats? The Rjet.com website indicates they don't but its not likely to be up to date.

There are 17 900's in service for SkyWest now, with 4 more coming for a total of 21 in service for Delta.

How many seats do they have in them? I know they originally came with 70 and thats what the SkyWest website shows. I have heard they are being converted to 76 seats though. Whats the status?

 

[king10pin02]

Do they have more than 70 seats? The Rjet.com website indicates they don't but its not likely to be up to date.




How many seats do they have in them? I know they originally came with 70 and thats what the SkyWest website shows. I have heard they are being converted to 76 seats though. Whats the status?

RAH is replacing the 70 seat 170's one for one with 76 seat 175s (12/64 config)

 

[79%N1]

I can already tell you that ASA management will tell you that. I was told by our boss that we are currently only 4th lowest cost (we are supposed to be 2nd, as you all know).....and that is why Delta will not consider us for 900's. We cost too much. So, all the rah rah go get performance stuff is a smokescreen. It has nothing to do with performance, quality or reliability. Is is soley about cost!

ASA looks to be the odd man out, and hopefully will have a chair when the music stops. Pinnacle and Mesaba are the ones that will get new DCI growth. Not sure how they compare the costs of these company's, that differ so much in size, type of operation, etc...

 

[JoeMerchant]

You know why our 900 program isn't complete? We don't have any airplanes to get it certified.

We had 900s....but they were diverted to Skywest while we held out for more than was reasonable......Don't worry...."No pilot will be left behind".......

 

[JoeMerchant]

I can already tell you that ASA management will tell you that. I was told by our boss that we are currently only 4th lowest cost (we are supposed to be 2nd, as you all know).....and that is why Delta will not consider us for 900's. We cost too much. So, all the rah rah go get performance stuff is a smokescreen. It has nothing to do with performance, quality or reliability. Is is soley about cost!

ASA looks to be the odd man out, and hopefully will have a chair when the music stops. Pinnacle and Mesaba are the ones that will get new DCI growth. Not sure how they compare the costs of these company's, that differ so much in size, type of operation, etc...

The portfolio concept is still alive and well.....ASA and CMR are the two expensive operators.....Cost isn't the only factor....but it is a large factor....

We have a better contract than most....We a relatively senior pilot group....We won't get the growth.....

We wanted the pay and the better contract....Nobody in any portfolio has ever had the best contract and the growth....

 

[sweptback]

We had 900s....but they were diverted to Skywest while we held out for more than was reasonable......Don't worry...."No pilot will be left behind".......

My point was that according to the instructors I talked to, we can't finish our 900 program until we get an airplane to do the required proving runs, etc.

 

[sweptback]

The portfolio concept is still alive and well.....ASA and CMR are the two expensive operators.....Cost isn't the only factor....but it is a large factor....

We have a better contract than most....We a relatively senior pilot group....We won't get the growth.....

We wanted the pay and the better contract....Nobody in any portfolio has ever had the best contract and the growth....

I think the bigger problem is the senior pilot group. Look at the pilot groups that are growing and the pilot groups that are shrinking. The growing ones, contract and pay aside, have relatively junior pilot groups. The shrinking ones have senior pilot groups... ASA, Comair, AE, Horizon.

I truly believe that ASA could have "settled" for the cheapest pilot contract in history, undercutting even Mesa, and we'd still be in the same position. The problem is the upper end of the payscale is expensive regardless of whether you pay $85/hr or $104.