DAL pilots overcompensated?

[Sinca3]

This is the most disturbing quote I´ve read in awhile!!! Aren´t the 737 rates lower than Southwests' and the rest of the rates in line with seat capacity?

Still, Beatty suggested that Delta's pilots are overcompensated, saying, "What's really weird is that anyone agreed to pay them that much money to begin with."

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/051111/delta.html?.v=2

 

[Pat Fabin]

It'd be one thing if she was just an average person voicing her opinion, but she's our BK judge that has tremendous power over the future of our company. How is she able to make fair decisions when she is obviously biased?

I thought ALPAs 1113 response was very well-written and makes a strong argument against the company's proposal. Of course, whats the point in debating anything with this judge presiding?

We're hosed.

-PF

 

[furloughfodder]

But rest assured.... all those filthy lawyers working the case deserve the $300,000 retaining fees they are getting.

 

[On Your Six]

This is the most disturbing quote I´ve read in awhile!!! Aren´t the 737 rates lower than Southwests' and the rest of the rates in line with seat capacity?

Still, Beatty suggested that Delta's pilots are overcompensated, saying, "What's really weird is that anyone agreed to pay them that much money to begin with."

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/051111/delta.html?.v=2

What is that old hag paid annually? Obviously waaay too much for her biased position.

 

[Phaedrus]

Prudence Carter Beatty should recuse herself immediately from having anything whatever to do with Delta's proceedings. What a sham, and what a shame.

 

[BRA]

Yeah a lot of things are wierd.

Terrel Owens gets paid what he does.
Regional pilots make 20K 1st year.
USair CEO gets 5 million to jump ship.
Airlines are going bankrupt because fuel costs way too much.....while oil companies are making a fortune.

Very wierd, someone agreed to the above things.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Does anyone know if she's an elected or appointed judge?

Be interesting to find out how she got the seat on the bench. I'm not an attorney but I think it's highly inappropriate for a sitting judge to comment about an ongoing case. Perhaps that in itself would be sufficent cause to have her removed from the case.

 

[On Your Six]

Does anyone know if she's an elected or appointed judge?

Be interesting to find out how she got the seat on the bench. I'm not an attorney but I think it's highly inappropriate for a sitting judge to comment about an ongoing case. Perhaps that in itself would be sufficent cause to have her removed from the case.

She's old and she has a 14 year term - not certain how much time remaining. I am surprised she hasn't referred to us as "glorified bus drivers" yet...

 

[Neubyfly]

She's old and she has a 14 year term - not certain how much time remaining. I am surprised she hasn't referred to us as "glorified bus drivers" yet...

Can we find out how much she is paid?

 

[GuppyWN]

Lose an engine on a foggy rainy 600RVR day and THEN ask her if we're worth the pay.

Gup

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Lose an engine on a foggy rainy 600RVR day and THEN ask her if we're worth the pay.

Gup

whats that matter?

there's guys doing the same thing everyday at ASA/Comair for 22K.

they gonna handle that engine failure different?

Until guys say IM NOT DOING THIS the pay will drop.

 

[capt. megadeth]

It'd be one thing if she was just an average person voicing her opinion, but she's our BK judge that has tremendous power over the future of our company. How is she able to make fair decisions when she is obviously biased?


-PF

Gee....I wonder how much she makes? I am sure she is underpaid

Biatch!

 

[GuppyWN]

G2, You missed my point.

Gup

 

[bafanguy]

It'd be one thing if she was just an average person voicing her opinion, but she's our BK judge that has tremendous power over the future of our company. How is she able to make fair decisions when she is obviously biased?



We're hosed.

-PF

Pat,

Bingo !!!, but she'll never have to answer for her obvious bias.

 

[furloughfodder]

Google her Bio.

She is just another George Bush Anit-Labor Republican Pro-Big Business Thug.

Nothing New here.

 

[Dizel8]

"But company spokesman John Kennedy said Thursday that the union's analysis is flawed."

In other words, we think we got you over a barrel with this judge, we are going for broke.

"Therefore, its conclusions are erroneous," Kennedy said.
Kennedy said Delta management is open to negotiating with the union, but he stressed that the targeted cuts the company is seeking are essential.

No negotiations, the judge is in our pockets.
"Our financial situation is urgent and the $325 million need for concessions from the pilots is real," he said."

To be diverted into the pockets of keypersonnel for retention bonuses and our lawyers.

Don't forget, we already have the judge on our side!

Like someone else said, since the judge has pretty much already sided with the company, without hearing any real arguments, it sounds like she should excuse herself, since her impartiality is clearly gone.

 

[whymeworry?]

Wait till she sees the pilots walk. Then she'll see why thjey are paid well... meaning there won't be any replacements to keep all that metal in the air.

Honestly, how corrupt and incompetent a legal system do we have when judges are as stupid as the general public about the pilot profession? Yeah, like she's not biased. She ought to be removed from this case immediately. Regardless, the pilot strike will bring new clarity to this issue for those who don't see the value in a pilot.

 

[Dizel8]

I doubt very much that any pilot group will strike, doing so would be financial suicide, since the airline would cease to exist. FedEx and UPS pilots could, since the company has money to make it through a strike, but any passenger carrier would be toast in short order.

Hopefully, the DAL pilots can influence the judge or get her replaced, but the company has them by the short and curlies, no amount of posturing or indignation will change that. I do however hope, that they, and NWA pilots, fare better than what has been proposed from managemenst side.

 

[PCL_128]

I doubt very much that any pilot group will strike, doing so would be financial suicide, since the airline would cease to exist.

I'm not so sure in Delta's case. With NWA management I would agree. They would certainly let the pilots walk and liquidate the airline. That's just how anti-labor they are. I don't think GG and the rest of the Delta management cronies are that hardline though. I think they'll give in if the Delta pilots have a strike vote and set a strike deadline. I just don't get a sense that Delta management is so anti-labor that they would go as far as letting the pilots walk and destroying the airline. Maybe I'm reading them wrong though.

 

[zonker]

Delta lost over 1 billion dollars in the third quarter. The pilots could come to work for nothing (which I'm sure this old bag would love to see) with no effect on the bottom line.

 

[COpilot]

Anyone have an email address, for her court or the local paper?

 

[zonker]

Anyone have an email address, for her court or the local paper?

[SIZE=+1]New York Southern District Court[/SIZE]
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Court Locations: New York, Poughkeepsie, White Plains
Counties of Jurisdiction: Bronx, Dutchess, New York, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Sullivan, Westchester, Waters within the counties of Kings, Nassau, Queens, Richmond and Suffolk

Judges:
Hon. Prudence C. Beatty
U.S. Bankruptcy Court
One Bowling Green, 6th Fl.
New York, NY 10004-1408

Judge Prudence C. Beatty 212-668-5637​

Courtroom Deputy: Carlos Pabon​

212-668-2870 ext. 3733​

Law Clerk: Susan Golden​

212-668-2870 ext. 3734​

Law Clerk: Katina Brountzas​

212-668-2870 ext. 3732​

 

[OMG7778]

Local paper

I think the Atlanta paper is www.ajc.com if you go to the business and delta section you can get Russell Grantham through a hot link on the website or you can email him at [email protected]. Don’t expect him to be too pilot friendly, he is Def. pro LCC and anti Delta pilots. But he was nice enough to respond to every objection to a story that I have written to him about.

But isn’t the Bk Judge in New York?

My theory on life has always been to avoid a woman with a hyphenated last name, in this case it holds true. I don’t know what pilot screwed her over but damn she is just not letting it go.

 

[General Lee]

Dizel8,

First of all, I think the quote was taken out of context. I believe they were looking at 777 Captain pay back in 2004 (when everyone was leaving and those guys were getting gressnslip after greenslip (double pay)) and some of those guys made well over $400,000 a year. That is what I think she was talking about.

Also, the judge has been trading barbs with us and with management and all of the lawyers. We just seem to hear more about it when it happens to us. During one of the last sessions, she yelled at everyone except the Bank of New York lawyer, and that was because he didn't say anything. Definitely interesting.

And about a strike, I wouldn't count one out yet. The key here is that the company is really asking for more than the $325 million, and they will have to come down on some of their requests to get to that number. I think they meant to do this in the first place. Dalpa knows that there are many many people, other than the pilots, that don't want to stop this gravy train. We shall see.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ivauir]

. I just don't get a sense that Delta management is so anti-labor that they would go as far as letting the pilots walk and destroying the airline. Maybe I'm reading them wrong though.

I wonder how their severance packages are set up. Some of these guys may have an incentive to sink their airline .... I'm not saying it is trueat your arline or any place specific, but it could be true some where - scary thought.

 

[MajorAv8r]

Can we find out how much she is paid?

Around $146K a year. 96% of a district judge. If a judge can stick it out for a whole 14yrs they recieve thier salary at time of retirement for life, or a lump sum. Sound familiar to anyone.

 

[jbucpt]

Dizel8,

First of all, I think the quote was taken out of context. I believe they were looking at 777 Captain pay back in 2004 (when everyone was leaving and those guys were getting gressnslip after greenslip (double pay)) and some of those guys made well over $400,000 a year. That is what I think she was talking about.

Also, the judge has been trading barbs with us and with management and all of the lawyers. We just seem to hear more about it when it happens to us. During one of the last sessions, she yelled at everyone except the Bank of New York lawyer, and that was because he didn't say anything. Definitely interesting.

And about a strike, I wouldn't count one out yet. The key here is that the company is really asking for more than the $325 million, and they will have to come down on some of their requests to get to that number. I think they meant to do this in the first place. Dalpa knows that there are many many people, other than the pilots, that don't want to stop this gravy train. We shall see.


Bye Bye--General Lee

the day DALPA goes on strike over these concessions is the day pigs fly........

 

[General Lee]

the day DALPA goes on strike over these concessions is the day pigs fly........

It's probably your best dream ever.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Crash Pad]

ACTIVIST JUDGES!!! I am shocked that Delta found a judge that would side with them in a BK filing... Those lawyers make $300,000 for a reason finding this judge will save DAL way more than $300,000.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know the vegas odds on DAL going tango uniform? I don't think pilot pay is the problem... I think DAL is so poorly managed that it is a wonder of capitalism that it is still around. Good luck I hope ATL doesn't look like St. Louis in a few years.