DAL Parking 40 to 50 jets

[Voice Of Reason]

Actually you did. The fall flying is already being accounted for in the APAs.

DAL has already accounted for fall flying in it's latest AE, another will be out in the coming months for beyond that. :smash:

R-I-F

Likely you'll see the DC9s and MD88 staffed times 10 until they decide to tell everyone after 12-31...Oh, BTW...forget all that training...furloughs now

 

[Linedriver]

Actually you did. The fall flying is already being accounted for in the APAs.

DAL has already accounted for fall flying in it's latest AE, another will be out in the coming months for beyond that.

Try not to make far reaching assumptions about things which you know little of, ok?

Is this going to be another displacement or a regular bid to account for some of the new 777's?

 

[lakemead1]

Talked to a lead line check airman last week, and he claims that any AE before Aug. would be a displacement bid. Aug. or after would account for new 90's and 777's.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

So which is it? Overstaffed?...or worst case 1,000 furloughs?

Let me guess... DL/NW mgt will be gleefully spitting out whatever pilots want to hear, until Summer flying is over (preventing any summertime "shenanigans,") THEN the hammer will fall!

(Like the full amount of ANC flying will just ALL end at ONCE on 12-31 then everyone starts training AT ONCE....RIGHT. Strange this announcement was made AFTER the APA came out for NW, and NONE of the ANC people were affected in it). Yeeah

Nope not even close.
Worst case. Cancel the 777 orders, no new jets, Cancel, not reallocate the 787 order. Park all of the 744's and 742's as well as the entire fleet of 9's and most of the 88's.
Not happening. I said worst case. They still need to run an airline. We still need to fly a lot of people.
With local government deep in to DAL's pockets, there is not going to be the right sizing that folks like you dream about.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Steve stated that they would displace as few as possible, not that there would be no displacements.

I think that given how we have seen a yeild reversal and loads drastically improve, you may see a different game plan come about. There is no reason to train people early. Any pull down would be done after the summer months.
If we saw our bottom a few months ago, and we are in fact climbing back out of the hole, the game plan for fall will look a lot different than it does today.
It is going to change, and what they have done is allowed a lot of breathing room to wait to see what this reversal is, a game changer or a bumping along the bottom.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

the right sizing that folks like you dream about.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
I want to see hiring...
but I want to see realistic info too. Let's hope that all logic is defied and you are right.

 

[Monster Buck]

Sorry little voice, Delta will not be furloughing. Run a long back to your little jet and make sure their luggage is put nicely into cargo.

 

[Superpilot92]

most of the planes that are getting parked have already been parked (except the -200's). The others will be swapped out with those in storage.

btw, FOX business shows the "stock of the Day" is DAL for beating expectations thus the stock being up +18% today.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Run a long back to your little jet and make sure their luggage is put nicely into cargo.

Monster Buck A/C Flown: MD 88, Saab 340

Aww....projecting hurts still raw from your itty bitty Saab prop days?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
I want to see hiring...
but I want to see realistic info too. Let's hope that all logic is defied and you are right.

I have been wrong, but as other have pointed out I am correct more than I am wrong and by a large margin.

This info does not have my personal tilt to it. It is just regurgitated.

There are synergies. If we had not merged, we would probably be in a lot worse position than we are now. Same can be said for NWA. Long term this is the best thing that could happen during a melt down.
Too many other things are going on to expend the money and energy displacing pilots to right size for furlough. If you were here and had any bit of knowledge of the inner working of this merger and what is involved you would be singing a different tune.
DAL is setting the stage quite nicely for the first half of the next decade. I for one am glad I am here.
Noting is perfect, and as I said a year ago, there is going to be pain for the first two years of the merger, but after that, there is no stopping DAL.

I also said, you should see where our real estate guys are looking at. (Gates, etc) Some of those have come true. I said SYD in summer of 09 two and a half years ago. Well? There is other good stuff coming. A lot of it has been delayed, but it will be out just as soon as our leadership knows we are truly in a recovery.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I have been wrong, but as other have pointed out I am correct more than I am wrong and by a large margin.

This info does not have my personal tilt to it. It is just regurgitated.

There are synergies. If we had not merged, we would probably be in a lot worse position than we are now. Same can be said for NWA. Long term this is the best thing that could happen during a melt down.
Too many other things are going on to expend the money and energy displacing pilots to right size for furlough. If you were here and had any bit of knowledge of the inner working of this merger and what is involved you would be singing a different tune.
DAL is setting the stage quite nicely for the first half of the next decade. I for one am glad I am here.
Noting is perfect, and as I said a year ago, there is going to be pain for the first two years of the merger, but after that, there is no stopping DAL.

I also said, you should see where our real estate guys are looking at. (Gates, etc) Some of those have come true. I said SYD in summer of 09 two and a half years ago. Well? There is other good stuff coming. A lot of it has been delayed, but it will be out just as soon as our leadership knows we are truly in a recovery.

My wrong, wrong, wrong comment was regarding the implication that I wanted to see furloughs, when in fact, (as I said) I want to see hiring.

What would prompt people to take early outs now, when it seemed like they wouldn't leave earlier in the merger? NetJets seems pretty proud of their package. (Quick download it before they put it back to password protected). If they can get people to actually take it (which there I doubt) it would be a coup...there seem to be plenty of options laid out...but in this economy...well anyway, ideas there (for the moment until they take it down again) that may help your union make things enticing.
http://www.njasap.com/jpmc/index.html
http://www.njasap.com/jpmc/pdf/jpmc_042009.pdf
Guys at DL/NW that are very senior may be in more of a position to put these ideas to use than at the fracs.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They know what they need to get people to take the early out, the same thing they would get if they stayed to 60 for the DAL-N guys. For DAL-S probably a 500K check. (at a min)

 

[Voice Of Reason]

They know what they need to get people to take the early out, the same thing they would get if they stayed to 60 for the DAL-N guys. For DAL-S probably a 500K check. (at a min)

I remember something here about the guys who should have retired going to a much higher $ medical coverage if they stayed there...is that still the case? (Or does it even matter, ie: are they covered by other medical)

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If they were here at DCC they lost that. Now they could offer the NWA rates again, and I am sure that is an option.

 

[Whine Lover]

Hell....It's only five percent of the Fleet that's being retired.

I'm sure Management is trying hard to allow those five percent of the people/pilots responsible for keeping those planes in the air employed.

What's five percent among Friends?

That, coupled with reduced Global demand and a failing U.S. Economy, should not even be an issue.

Delta has, historically, been VERY good to their Employees.

How many of you remember C.E. Woolman?

A Good Man to be sure. He took care of People.

Remain calm. All is well. Nothing has changed.....

There has been NO paradigm shift.

Because, "I say so".

YKMKR

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