DAL Parking 40 to 50 jets

[Voice Of Reason]

the right sizing that folks like you dream about.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
I want to see hiring...
but I want to see realistic info too. Let's hope that all logic is defied and you are right.

 

[Monster Buck]

Sorry little voice, Delta will not be furloughing. Run a long back to your little jet and make sure their luggage is put nicely into cargo.

 

[Superpilot92]

most of the planes that are getting parked have already been parked (except the -200's). The others will be swapped out with those in storage.

btw, FOX business shows the "stock of the Day" is DAL for beating expectations thus the stock being up +18% today.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Run a long back to your little jet and make sure their luggage is put nicely into cargo.

Monster Buck A/C Flown: MD 88, Saab 340

Aww....projecting hurts still raw from your itty bitty Saab prop days?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
I want to see hiring...
but I want to see realistic info too. Let's hope that all logic is defied and you are right.

I have been wrong, but as other have pointed out I am correct more than I am wrong and by a large margin.

This info does not have my personal tilt to it. It is just regurgitated.

There are synergies. If we had not merged, we would probably be in a lot worse position than we are now. Same can be said for NWA. Long term this is the best thing that could happen during a melt down.
Too many other things are going on to expend the money and energy displacing pilots to right size for furlough. If you were here and had any bit of knowledge of the inner working of this merger and what is involved you would be singing a different tune.
DAL is setting the stage quite nicely for the first half of the next decade. I for one am glad I am here.
Noting is perfect, and as I said a year ago, there is going to be pain for the first two years of the merger, but after that, there is no stopping DAL.

I also said, you should see where our real estate guys are looking at. (Gates, etc) Some of those have come true. I said SYD in summer of 09 two and a half years ago. Well? There is other good stuff coming. A lot of it has been delayed, but it will be out just as soon as our leadership knows we are truly in a recovery.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I have been wrong, but as other have pointed out I am correct more than I am wrong and by a large margin.

This info does not have my personal tilt to it. It is just regurgitated.

There are synergies. If we had not merged, we would probably be in a lot worse position than we are now. Same can be said for NWA. Long term this is the best thing that could happen during a melt down.
Too many other things are going on to expend the money and energy displacing pilots to right size for furlough. If you were here and had any bit of knowledge of the inner working of this merger and what is involved you would be singing a different tune.
DAL is setting the stage quite nicely for the first half of the next decade. I for one am glad I am here.
Noting is perfect, and as I said a year ago, there is going to be pain for the first two years of the merger, but after that, there is no stopping DAL.

I also said, you should see where our real estate guys are looking at. (Gates, etc) Some of those have come true. I said SYD in summer of 09 two and a half years ago. Well? There is other good stuff coming. A lot of it has been delayed, but it will be out just as soon as our leadership knows we are truly in a recovery.

My wrong, wrong, wrong comment was regarding the implication that I wanted to see furloughs, when in fact, (as I said) I want to see hiring.

What would prompt people to take early outs now, when it seemed like they wouldn't leave earlier in the merger? NetJets seems pretty proud of their package. (Quick download it before they put it back to password protected). If they can get people to actually take it (which there I doubt) it would be a coup...there seem to be plenty of options laid out...but in this economy...well anyway, ideas there (for the moment until they take it down again) that may help your union make things enticing.
http://www.njasap.com/jpmc/index.html
http://www.njasap.com/jpmc/pdf/jpmc_042009.pdf
Guys at DL/NW that are very senior may be in more of a position to put these ideas to use than at the fracs.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They know what they need to get people to take the early out, the same thing they would get if they stayed to 60 for the DAL-N guys. For DAL-S probably a 500K check. (at a min)

 

[Voice Of Reason]

They know what they need to get people to take the early out, the same thing they would get if they stayed to 60 for the DAL-N guys. For DAL-S probably a 500K check. (at a min)

I remember something here about the guys who should have retired going to a much higher $ medical coverage if they stayed there...is that still the case? (Or does it even matter, ie: are they covered by other medical)

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If they were here at DCC they lost that. Now they could offer the NWA rates again, and I am sure that is an option.

 

[Whine Lover]

Hell....It's only five percent of the Fleet that's being retired.

I'm sure Management is trying hard to allow those five percent of the people/pilots responsible for keeping those planes in the air employed.

What's five percent among Friends?

That, coupled with reduced Global demand and a failing U.S. Economy, should not even be an issue.

Delta has, historically, been VERY good to their Employees.

How many of you remember C.E. Woolman?

A Good Man to be sure. He took care of People.

Remain calm. All is well. Nothing has changed.....

There has been NO paradigm shift.

Because, "I say so".

YKMKR

http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/happyand.htm

 

[jetjockey#1]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
I want to see hiring...
but I want to see realistic info too. Let's hope that all logic is defied and you are right.

Who is this guy? he can't be a DAL guy or NWA since he has no clue about APA or AE. Get a life dude, I am sure you have a student pilot somewhere waiting for you to show him how to do circles around a point.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

Who is this guy? he can't be a DAL guy or NWA since he has no clue about APA or AE. Get a life dude, I am sure you have a student pilot somewhere waiting for you to show him how to do circles around a point.

Pay no attention too her. Claims to be Flight Options from previous posts. Not worth the headache or the time!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

30 of which will be RJ's.

 

[DTW320]

I have heard lots of chatter about the NWA pilots frozen retirement however. Seems it still costs 27 plus million to managae, fund, distribute, etc. that thing a year. There have been inquires in how to do away with it... if they look like they will some how be able to you will see NWA senior pilots head for the door like they did at DAL. IF this happens it would mitigate a large percentage of the over staffing and save DAL an estimated 80 million a year. Crappy thing to do to the NWA senior guys, but when $$ is the end game you know they will try to. Who would stop them? ALPA, HA! Don't forget that the vast majority of the combined list at DAL doesn't have a real retirement of any kind now. Do you think original DAL guys would fight to keep NWA guys frozen retirement in place? I doubt it. If the company offered an additional 1 % to the DCC in exchange for the NWA retirement it would pass without question.

2 ways to terminate a pension plan.

1. Distress termination in Bankruptcy.
2. Get it to fully funded status and then do a standard termination (annuities bought for plan participants OR lump sums given that equal participants entire benefit).

Who would stop them?

Federal Law, administered by the PBGC.

 

[Superpilot92]

found this over at APC fwiw

This is copied from the NE CP Newsletter posted on the CPSC (Chief Pilot Support Center) page of Detla Net dated 3/30/09...

I heard furloughs are coming?​

If you work for USAir or United, I would be concerned. We currently do not have enough pilots to fly all the block hours that networks wants us to fly this summer. The 2010 flying program is currently scheduled to be an increase of approximately 1% above the 2009 block hour program.

Loosely translated that means that we will not have enough pilots for 2010 either. There have not been any decisions made at this time but rest assured that the costs of furloughs are both economic and emotional. We will not furlough unless there are compelling reasons like a full blown depression of the world’s economy–force majure level stuff. It would take 18-24 months worth of economic savings to justify furloughing someone on a financial basis – even more on an emotional justification. For now, no one sees that level of cuts coming in flight operations. Expect SILs in international categories and Personal Leaves of Absences to be granted come this fall.​

 

[Max Powers]

This is copied from the NE CP Newsletter posted on the CPSC (Chief Pilot Support Center) page of Detla Net dated 3/30/09...

I heard furloughs are coming?​

If you work for USAir or United, I would be concerned. We currently do not have enough pilots to fly all the block hours that networks wants us to fly this summer. The 2010 flying program is currently scheduled to be an increase of approximately 1% above the 2009 block hour program.

Loosely translated that means that we will not have enough pilots for 2010 either. There have not been any decisions made at this time but rest assured that the costs of furloughs are both economic and emotional. We will not furlough unless there are compelling reasons like a full blown depression of the world’s economy–force majure level stuff. It would take 18-24 months worth of economic savings to justify furloughing someone on a financial basis – even more on an emotional justification. For now, no one sees that level of cuts coming in flight operations. Expect SILs in international categories and Personal Leaves of Absences to be granted come this fall.​

From my myriad years working as an airline pilot: The one thing you can always bank on is - the CP knowing about as much as a grapefruit.

 

[dbrownie]

Like a Fed knows jack sh!t...


Do you think original DAL guys would fight to keep NWA guys frozen retirement in place? I doubt it. If the company offered an additional 1 % to the DCC in exchange for the NWA retirement it would pass without question.

Most of the junior NWA guys who were sold out to keep
the senior pensions in place won't fight it either.

There is already a lot more loyalty felt towards Delta
than towards the people who have been screwing the junior guys at NWA.
Ask around.....
DB

 

[Scope out RJ's]

From my myriad years working as an airline pilot: The one thing you can always bank on is - the CP knowing about as much as a grapefruit.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[FBN0223]

Hey DL North and South guys
Sorry for starting this thread. Been out of the loop for awhile and wanted to hear from some of the guys "in the know" regarding staffing. As expected, the usual flamers with no clue whatsoever weighed in as well.

Looks steady and a bit encouraging, at least for now, in regards to staffing. Thanks DL-S and DL-N guys for your input.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Hey DL North and South guys
Sorry for starting this thread. Been out of the loop for awhile and wanted to hear from some of the guys "in the know" regarding staffing. As expected, the usual flamers with no clue whatsoever weighed in as well.

Looks steady and a bit encouraging, at least for now, in regards to staffing. Thanks DL-S and DL-N guys for your input.

What I was told yesterday is this.

150 Fat for the summer,
800 Fat for the winter
150 short for next spring.

It is my understanding that this is before buyouts. Talk of 500 PERPS to be offered, but people are very tight lipped about it.

This over staffing will be taken care of by SIL's. Maybe some short term leave. No plans to furlough, so relax. My guess is that if they cut next summers sked, they may seriously think about furloughing, but all leading indicators are to a 1% increase in block of this year.

On the DAL side, they say no more displacements FWIW. AS for the 777 in June/July.