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Truckdriver said:
So with that opinion you should be glad you have the NWA guys on your side fighting for DOH or something closer to straight relative seniority. In the end it doesn't matter what you, I, or any other NWA or DAL employee think. Mr. Bloch and his crew will make the decision in a month and he said, "the result will be a virtual guarantee that the overwhelming bulk of the pilots will be adversely affected from the seniority standpoint." With that quote, it isn't hard to imagine that he could award what DALPA has proposed or he could award a DOH integration. We'll see in a month. Until then, we should all get ready to suck it up and move on because the majority of us would have been happier seniority and career expectation wise if this merger never would have happned.
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It won't affect me one way or the other....I will still be senior in my position....I just enjoy pointing out ALPA's failures.....and merger policy is at the top of the list....Unity will never happen as long as we hold on to such absurd notions that size of aircraft matter when determining "worth".....
 
Occam's Razor said:
How many hours do you have in the DC-9?

None?

I say you SUE somebody!

Back to the shallow end, Short Bus. Your perspectives on this matter are, unequivocally, irrelevant.

Fact.
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I'm just enjoying the show of "unity"....:laugh:

Someone pass the popcorn....
 
JoeMerchant said:
I'm just enjoying the show of "unity"....:laugh:

Someone pass the popcorn....
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Aren't you studying for the CRJ yet? What is the bust rate for senior ATR Captains going to the CRJ? Pretty high, I bet. If you do have problems, I say "sue 'em." They can't do that to you....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
~~~^~~~ said:
Well put. If Superpilot wasn't flying the DC9, his opinion would be the same as yours. Personally, I can't wait until he bids off the thing.

Super, PM me your address ... you need a Delta 767 sticker for your flight bag.
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Well Gee thanks for telling me what my opinion would be. No thanks on the sticker, i appreciate the offer though ;)
 
Superpilot92 said:
Well Gee thanks for telling me what my opinion would be. No thanks on the sticker, i appreciate the offer though ;)
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Superpilot....you fly a little airplane that has old fashioned dials....Don't worry....some day, you to will become a real pilot.....:D
 
JoeMerchant said:
Unity will never happen as long as we hold on to such absurd notions that size of aircraft matter when determining "worth".....
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I agree with you 100%. We should have a national seniority list with pay based on status and longevity. That would be a perfect world and it will never happen in this industry. So, we deal with what we have and the fact here is the -9 is the lowest paying category of the combined company and so it should be integrated as such if we are proposing a category and class integration. NWA guys will even be upset with a straight relative seniority integration because even that will put 07 Delta guys with 00 and 01 NWA guys.
 
JoeMerchant said:
Superpilot....you fly a little airplane that has old fashioned dials....Don't worry....some day, you to will become a real pilot.....:D
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Yeah, Joe flies a Space Shuttle called the "ATR"---well, for a bit longer. I hope they bring in SkyWest E120s for that Hilton Head service. Probably a better fit.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Yeah, Joe flies a Space Shuttle called the "ATR"---well, for a bit longer. I hope they bring in SkyWest E120s for that Hilton Head service. Probably a better fit.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Shows you what an idiot you are.....The ATR can take more people out of HHH than a E120 can....Doesn't matter.....Delta is pulling out of HHH with the ATR retirement....YOUR managment made that decision.....
 
Truckdriver said:
I agree with you 100%. We should have a national seniority list with pay based on status and longevity. That would be a perfect world and it will never happen in this industry. So, we deal with what we have and the fact here is the -9 is the lowest paying category of the combined company and so it should be integrated as such if we are proposing a category and class integration. NWA guys will even be upset with a straight relative seniority integration because even that will put 07 Delta guys with 00 and 01 NWA guys.
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Never say never.....Who would of thought the United pilots would be pushing for a national seniority list.....You'd be surprised what can happen when the fit hits the shan.......

The current approach doesn't work....
 
JoeMerchant said:
Who would of thought the United pilots would be pushing for a national seniority list.....You'd be surprised what can happen when the fit hits the shan.......

The current approach doesn't work....
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I think that the Pan Am guys also pushed for it when they could see what was coming their way. It doesn't surprise me that the UAL guys are going for it, and if they do succeed, all the other ALPA carriers will bail out of ALPA and UAL will have a national seniority list that consists of themselves. I do think one list with status pay would be nice, but I'd bet my equity payout (which is getting smaller every day) it will never happen.
 
Truckdriver said:
I think that the Pan Am guys also pushed for it when they could see what was coming their way. It doesn't surprise me that the UAL guys are going for it, and if they do succeed, all the other ALPA carriers will bail out of ALPA and UAL will have a national seniority list that consists of themselves. I do think one list with status pay would be nice, but I'd bet my equity payout (which is getting smaller every day) it will never happen.
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The PanAm folks brought their regional pilots onto their list.....Smart move.....

You may be right....but don't expect any "unity".......Ain't going to happen with the status quo.....I'll bet my Skywest stock grants on that.....
 
JoeMerchant said:
....kinda sucks when another pilot group defines you based on the size of your aircraft....doesn't it?
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It sucks even more when a group of illiterate pilots tries to sue to steal seniority. Even more so when they try to abbrogate your legally binding PWA!
 
Scope out RJ's said:
It sucks even more when a group of illiterate pilots tries to sue to steal seniority. Even more so when they try to abbrogate your legally binding PWA!
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Isn't it past your bed time 737Pylt? I know you are upset that you were banned.....but give it a rest....
 
JoeMerchant said:
....kinda sucks when another pilot group defines you based on the size of your aircraft....doesn't it?
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I dont judge anyone based on the aircraft they fly, never have. However there is a difference between the regionals and mainline companies. For whatever reason you try to pretend there isnt. You want a seniority number at a company you have never been hired with just because you think your entitled to it without getting hired. Your argument and this argument are totally different so i dont know why you are trying to compare the two. :confused:
 
JoeMerchant said:
Isn't it past your bed time 737Pylt? I know you are upset that you were banned.....but give it a rest....
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Keep talking like you know everything. Now wonder your guys' lawsuit was a complete failure!:laugh: :laugh:
Don't worry Joey, I'm sure another chance to sue yourself onto somebody's seniority list will present itself!
Now get back to Dan's desk, and all those "personal favors" you're so good at!:blush:
 
Superpilot92 said:
I dont judge anyone based on the aircraft they fly, never have. However there is a difference between the regionals and mainline companies. For whatever reason you try to pretend there isnt. You want a seniority number at a company you have never been hired with just because you think your entitled to it without getting hired. Your argument and this argument are totally different so i dont know why you are trying to compare the two. :confused:
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Your fellow Delta "brothers" are judging you based on the fact you fly a "little" DC9.....You are going to get the short end of the stick on this deal......

What is the difference between a "regional" and a "mainline"....Is it like the difference between a MD80 and a DC 9?

Funny that you are doing the same thing that you oppose being done to you.....The irony here is rich....

This is too good......:uzi:
 
Joe,

Seems that I remember you negotiated a contract that paid the ATR pilots more than the E120 drivers... .
 
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JoeMerchant said:
Your fellow Delta "brothers" are judging you based on the fact you fly a "little" DC9.....You are going to get the short end of the stick on this deal......Nothing more than DALPA going for the gold just as NWALPA is expected to do. Should i sue somebody?

What is the difference between a "regional" and a "mainline"....Is it like the difference between a MD80 and a DC 9? Different arguments. The 80's and 9's are flown at the same level and no i dont think there is a difference. Regional to Mainline is more like JV and Varsity in comparison. (not that the pilots are any better or worse but they are on different levels and play on different nights)

Funny that you are doing the same thing that you oppose being done to you.....The irony here is rich....I am doing nothing of the sort. Keep making stuff up. You're comparing a regional to a major, there is a difference there. Regionals are on different levels of the industry. If the planes at the regionals were on the mainline list then that would be a different story. I believe they should have been that way to start.

This is too good......:uzi:
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Whats "to good" is your never ending stirring of the pot in discussions you arent a part of. You could have made the move long ago but choose not to. To each his own but your preaching about getting a free ride and cut in line on a mainline seniority list is embarrassing. You made your decision, good for you, now deal with it. Good luck
 
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Joe,

Give it a break. There is no irony. Why did the contract you negotiated put the ATR above the E120?
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.....because that was the system ALPA put in motion.....Actually the original TA had a paycut for most of the ATR folks because we were a minority.....So we took over and fixed things for ourselves.......The ATR didn't have support for what we did based on ALPA contracts....That was one of things we fought with ALPA......

You need to give it a break.....You have changed your tune now that you wear the double breasted coat....The NWA DC9 folks are the same RJ folks you fought for when you were at ASA.....You have changed your tune....
 
JoeMerchant said:
.....because that was the system ALPA put in motion.....Actually the original TA had a paycut for most of the ATR folks because we were a minority.....So we took over and fixed things for ourselves.......The ATR didn't have support for what we did based on ALPA contracts....That was one of things we fought with ALPA......

You need to give it a break.....You have changed your tune now that you wear the double breasted coat....The NWA DC9 folks are the same RJ folks you fought for when you were at ASA.....You have changed your tune....
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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
You sound like charlie brown's freaking school teacher.
Twist it anyway you want to scumbag! Maybe its time for Dan to come on here and defend you since you obviously can't!
 
Scope out RJ's said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
You sound like charlie brown's freaking school teacher.
Twist it anyway you want to scumbag! Maybe its time for Dan to come on here and defend you since you obviously can't!
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The person I was responding to was a principal RJDC supporter at ASA.....Now he is a Delta pilot....When he went to DAL, he asked that I not identify him because he was worried about what would happen to him....Nice "brotherhood" we have.....More like a mob....He is good guy and shouldn't have to worry about that....

Now he has a different opinion because he is on the other side of the fence.....We have a problem in this so called union....and anyone who doesn't admit we have a problem, is simply part of the problem.....
 
JoeMerchant said:
The person I was responding to was a principal RJDC supporter at ASA.....Now he is a Delta pilot....When he went to DAL, he asked that I not identify him because he was worried about what would happen to him....Nice "brotherhood" we have.....More like a mob....He is good guy and shouldn't have to worry about that....

Now he has a different opinion because he is on the other side of the fence.....We have a problem in this so called union....and anyone who doesn't admit we have a problem, is simply part of the problem.....
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You're right. You ARE part of the problem. So LEAVE. Quit ALPA. Better yet. Use some of that hot air you have to satisfy Dan and get a decertification drive going. Let's see how well you are at that? All you know how to do is sit behind your keyboard and continue your babbling BS drivel! You haven't done anything productive for this union, or brotherhood. Matter of fact, you and your cadres of losers at the rjdc have done more damage then any scabs could have ever done!
 
ACL65PILOT said:
God how this thread went from DAL, NWA basing to ALPA and RJDC crud is beyond me.
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It's the Third Axiom of Flightinfo -- "All threads in which Joe Merchant makes an appearance will devolve into an RJDC thread, without regard to reason."

I've got the mathematical formula somewhere in my notebooks.
 
Actually it affects ASA and CMR now.....As a result of the JPWA, the flowback now can be forced on ASA and CMR....RJDC has had to go back to the judge as this violates the settlement agreement and both the ASA and CMR PWAs.....

This is a huge issue as furloughs are becoming more likely each day as the stock market continues to crash and the credit markets remained locked up....
 
Joe, can you be more specific about the flowback provisions? How can they flowback if your agreement doesn't allow for it? This is the first I've heard of that issue.
 

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