DAL/NWA retirement numbers

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After seeing repeated claims that half of NWA's list was going to retire at (pick your claim):

• ___ next week
• ___ next quarter
• ___ next year
• ___ before the conclusion of the Mayan calendar
• ___ five years
• ___ ten years

I looked up the numbers. The source claims to be a member of Counsel 20. So it will be easy for others to find, here they are:

Year- Total/NWA/DAL
2009 - 9 9 0
2010 - 8 8 0
2011 - 15 15 0
2012 - 15 15 0
2013 - 26 24 2
2014 - 220 161 59
2015 - 253 187 66
2016 - 288 203 85
2017 - 338 214 124
2018 - 382 232 150
2019 - 465 259 206
2020 - 547 293 254
2021 - 602 285 317
2022 - 780 327 453
2023 - 830 298 532
2024 - 784 277 507
2025 - 751 257 494
2026 - 654 233 421
2027 - 513 173 340
2028 - 395 154 241
2029 - 326 138 188

Total NWA retirements - 3,762
Total DAL retirements - 4,469

So who has more retirements?

In the next ten years NWA plans to retire 1,068 pilots. Is that half the list?

In the next ten years Delta will retire 468 pilots, true that is half as many, but at year 12 Delta's retirements kick in and continue to exceed the NWA numbers.

15 years post merger:
DAL - 2248
NWA - 2530

But is that the end of the story? No.

How many pilots has Delta hired in 07 and how many are planning to come on board in 08? That number will be around 900 in 14 to 16 months of hiring. Most of these pilots went to widebodies. Which is more important - growth, or waiting for your Captain to expire?

If the NWA pilots think a widebody, a huge wage increase, and growth (part from the match, part from the bonus and part from the increase in available aircraft to bid) is career stagnation, sign me up for some.

Or not ~ I think I would prefer for the airlines to remain separate and just beat them the old fashioned way - with better service and southern hospitality - why buy what you can take?

 

[nonstop]

After seeing repeated claims that half of NWA's list was going to retire at (pick your claim):

• ___ next week
• ___ next quarter
• ___ next year
• ___ before the conclusion of the Mayan calendar
• ___ five years
• ___ ten years

I looked up the numbers. The source claims to be a member of Counsel 20. So it will be easy for others to find, here they are:

Year- Total/NWA/DAL
2009 - 9 9 0
2010 - 8 8 0
2011 - 15 15 0
2012 - 15 15 0
2013 - 26 24 2
2014 - 220 161 59
2015 - 253 187 66
2016 - 288 203 85
2017 - 338 214 124
2018 - 382 232 150
2019 - 465 259 206
2020 - 547 293 254
2021 - 602 285 317
2022 - 780 327 453
2023 - 830 298 532
2024 - 784 277 507
2025 - 751 257 494
2026 - 654 233 421
2027 - 513 173 340
2028 - 395 154 241
2029 - 326 138 188

Total NWA retirements - 3,762
Total DAL retirements - 4,469

So who has more retirements?

NWA obviously, 3762/5200=71% vs DAL 4469/7200=62%. The percentage is even more tilted toward NWA if you look at the 10 year mark, especially considering most NWA guys are going to bail at 60 vs 65 at DAL.

 

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Well if you are going to be that way, what about the 1,000+ pilots that Delta has who are in management, or on leave? That takes DAL to 72%, by your figures, so there.

 

[SplitBar]

Why are the retirement numbers so low between 2009 - 20013? NWA is retiring like 20-30 per month so you #'s don't seem accurate between 2009-2013.

 

[iaflyer]

Why are the retirement numbers so low between 2009 - 20013? NWA is retiring like 20-30 per month so you #'s don't seem accurate between 2009-2013.

Those are accurate #s for Delta. A huge group of Delta captain retired early (and got a big lump sum payout) just before the BK, so there are almost no Captains at Delta between 55-60.

 

[AirportBum]

This conversation is soooo tired.

For the millionth time, many NWA pilots are expected to still retire at 60. The numbers you posted are based on 65 (with the few retirements in the next few years coming from the over 60 guys that have been flying on the panel.)

Both sides have plenty to offer. The arrogance (from both sides) is unfounded. If we get together, I don't want to spend the rest of my career listening to who offered more, pre-merger.

Leave the dead horse alone.

 

[General Lee]

This conversation is soooo tired.

For the millionth time, many NWA pilots are expected to still retire at 60. The numbers you posted are based on 65 (with the few retirements in the next few years coming from the over 60 guys that have been flying on the panel.)

Both sides have plenty to offer. The arrogance (from both sides) is unfounded. If we get together, I don't want to spend the rest of my career listening to who offered more, pre-merger.

Leave the dead horse alone.

I love that. "Many are expected to retire." Hmmm. Can we get that in writing? Probably not.

Hey, I just bought a Georgia lottery ticket. I EXPECT to win it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[michael707767]

For the millionth time, many NWA pilots are expected to still retire at 60. .

expected to retire at 60? Unless it is 100% certain, then we cannot merge the lists based on that, and no arbitrator will consider it. Face it, many NWA pilots retiring at 60 is a just a guess at this point. May or may not happen.

 

[slinky]

This conversation is soooo tired.



Both sides have plenty to offer. The arrogance (from both sides) is unfounded. If we get together, I don't want to spend the rest of my career listening to who offered more, pre-merger.

Leave the dead horse alone.

Ok, I like this guy. We can drink beer together

 

[800Dog]

This conversation is soooo tired.

For the millionth time, many NWA pilots are expected to still retire at 60. The numbers you posted are based on 65 (with the few retirements in the next few years coming from the over 60 guys that have been flying on the panel.)

Both sides have plenty to offer. The arrogance (from both sides) is unfounded. If we get together, I don't want to spend the rest of my career listening to who offered more, pre-merger.

Leave the dead horse alone.

If we merge and ever fly together, 1st round is on me! Should not be this complicated.