DAL & NWA Recall Guesses?

[GogglesPisano]

You will see increases on the lower end if they can not get or retain enought qualified pilots.

That would be evidence of a pilot shortage. I doubt we will ever see it.

However with the coming semi PFT program coming for the regionals, where in conjunction with your college courses you pay for classes on how to become a RJ F/O so you can flow into a job at Mesa, Pinnacle, etc pay may not go up at those places.

That is evidence of a surplus of pilots. Not a shortage.

 

[kevdog]

Delta resumes the recalls on June 28. 64 notices sent out today.

How many still on furlough? How many bypassed?

 

[pilotyip]

Different view

Goggles I look at those moves to mean there is growing experience shortage and airlines are taking remedies to increase the pilot work force due to the impending and growing shortage. I recruit, I am in the market place on a regular basis, it is harder to find qualified pilot now that is was last year and certainly two years ago. Much more work to keep the same number of pilots in a pool that evaporates at a faster rate.

 

[FlyingSig]

How many still on furlough? How many bypassed?

From July 2004 through October 2005 Delta has offered recall to 583 pilots.​

• 369 have returned to active status​
• 49 have accepted recall and taken a 3 or 5-year PLOA​
• 92 have accepted recall and are on MLOA​
• 63 have bypassed recall​
• 10 have accepted recall and are in Medical Hold status​
• 475 have yet to be offered recall​

 

[GogglesPisano]

Goggles I look at those moves to mean there is growing experience shortage and airlines are taking remedies to increase the pilot work force due to the impending and growing shortage. I recruit, I am in the market place on a regular basis, it is harder to find qualified pilot now that is was last year and certainly two years ago. Much more work to keep the same number of pilots in a pool that evaporates at a faster rate.

So is pay going up?

 

[pilotyip]

Yes I predict the shortage will cause pay on the lower end to increase

 

[Launchpad]

Delta is recalling right now, just announced 64 pilots. Someone is welcome to my spot.

 

[retired guy]

Launchpad...whats your guess about the recall? How many do you think they will have to offer to in order to fill up the classes? I`m guessing a lot. BTW, we are expecting to have the pilot pensions turned over to the PBGC before the end of this month.

 

[Launchpad]

Not sure, they burned through that list pretty fast last time. I bet about 1 in 4 bypass. Just a guess, I'm no flightinfo expert.

D-

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Actually, its worse than any of you imagined.

Not only have furloughed pilots refused recall, a fair number have already resigned.

More surprising is the number pilots of ALL seniority brackets. They all are leaving in droves. Over 70 resignations (not retirements, and NOT including furloughed guy resignations) this year alone from active line pilots.

Not just junior pukes that have lined up something better, or senior dudes with a military retirement, but ordinary joes...757 FOs, 320 captains, etc, just walking away.

That tells you all you need to know... I'd be surprised if any more than %10 of the furloughees came back.

I had a buddy who had gotten into a pretty fair gig of kitchen renovations. Now he has a couple of trucks and a couple of teams of guys doing quickie fix-ups. He told me he quit, and it was the best day of his life, and never looks back. He has a sweet-as-balls T-6 AND a DG glider he flys on the weekends.

Nu

 

[NYRANGERS]

Heyas,

Actually, its worse than any of you imagined.

Not only have furloughed pilots refused recall, a fair number have already resigned.

More surprising is the number pilots of ALL seniority brackets. They all are leaving in droves. Over 70 resignations (not retirements, and NOT including furloughed guy resignations) this year alone from active line pilots.

Not just junior pukes that have lined up something better, or senior dudes with a military retirement, but ordinary joes...757 FOs, 320 captains, etc, just walking away.

That tells you all you need to know... I'd be surprised if any more than %10 of the furloughees came back.

I had a buddy who had gotten into a pretty fair gig of kitchen renovations. Now he has a couple of trucks and a couple of teams of guys doing quickie fix-ups. He told me he quit, and it was the best day of his life, and never looks back. He has a sweet-as-balls T-6 AND a DG glider he flys on the weekends.

Nu

There are 131 on the short notice recall list. Since January only 7 pilots have resigned.

NYR

 

[JohnDoe]

I think he's talking about NW ( the part about 320 captain's kinda gives it away).

 

[JohnDoe]

And that wasn't a jab......I wasn't sure except for the 320 comment.

 

[NYRANGERS]

And that wasn't a jab......I wasn't sure except for the 320 comment.

I didn't catch that, thaks for pointing it out.

NYR

 

[GogglesPisano]

I wonder if Kit Darby will write an article on an upcoming pilot shortage due to ....... senior pilots at major airlines getting fed up with the profession and punching out of it entirely.

I'm sure that will go over well at his conventions.