DAL jumpseat courtesy

[Judge]

Ahhh, I see. Thanks Hair-on-fire. I don't think SWA actually allows anyone else to ride on the FA's 4th, I mean, except the 35,000 employees.

 

[propjob27]

I can't believe some of you guys think a PAYING passenger needs to stop by the cockpit and introduce himself, regardless of what he's wearing.

I've flown for 3 different airlines now that regularly position crews on offline airlines, using paid tickets, and not ONCE have I ever stopped by the cockpit to say anything, whether I was in uniform or not. Nor would I expect, or even want, a paying passenger to stop by my cockpit in a similar situation. I do not in any way consider this to be discourteous to the flight crew. I am generally not rude, or anti social. Unless I'm hammered, and then I'm both. Nonetheless, you have a paid ticket, you board and go to your seat like every other Joe. It doesn't matter that you happen to be an airline pilot, in or out of uniform. If for some reason both of you guys drop dead in the cockpit, and the FA's desperately need someone to land the plane, then they'll make the announcement that's every private pilot's wet dream: "Ladies and Gentleman, do we have any pilots on board?" I mean, come on Striker, haven't you seen Airplane? As a flight crewmember, you really don't need to know that there are some DAL or FedEX or UPS or ATA pilots in back travelling on paid tickets.

Now, if the guy WAS jumpseating, then yes, that was out of line. But you don't even know that he was, or at least you haven't indicated in this thread that you do. And to make a negative post about "DAL's jumpseat courtesy", when in fact the guy probably was NOT EVEN JUMPSEATING in the first place is pretty fuc k in g stupid.

Maybe JetBlue pilots need to realize that many airlines out there use paid tickets on other airlines to move crews around. And yes, they do this even on routes their own airline serves, due to full loads or contractual limitations such as duty day length, etc. And at that point these guys are PASSENGERS NOT JUMPSEATERS.

 

[Caveman]

Is it possible the DAL guy was a paying passenger? Yep. Pigs might fly out of my ass too. The odds heavily favor the guy was a jumpseater and IF he was he should have introduced himself as he boarded. That being said, he is the exception because most DAL pilots I've interacted with while jumpseating (me or them) have been courteous and professional. I wouldn't paint all DAL pilots with the same brush. I'm sure we have our own knucklehead jumpseaters too. One bad apple .........

 

[propjob27]

The odds heavily favor the guy was a jumpseater and IF he was he should have introduced himself as he boarded.

No, they don't. Like I said before, many "big" airlines end up positioning crews on other carriers, for the reasons I stated. There are other reasons too that I didn't mention. For example, if your wife or kid gets sick while you are on a trip, any decent airline will instantly buy you a ticket from wherever you are to wherever they are, on any airline. I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand.

I did not mean the DAL pilot in question paid for the ticket out of his own wallet (though he may have and its completely irrelevant WHO paid for the ticket), I meant DAL may very well have purchased ticket for him for whatever reason. Once you have a paid ticket in your hand, regardless, the need to walk up to the cockpit and show your license, ID, and medical and "ask politely" for ride are instantly over. You get on and off the airplane with all the other people, no matter if you happen to been wearing your uniform or not.

I don't know why the original poster assumed this guy was a jumpseater and started this bu lls hi t thread with the title "DAL Jumpseat courtesy" and a stupid thumbs down symbol, when he has NO IDEA if the pilot in question was actually jumpseating.

One bad apple my ass, the original poster is the one bad apple for starting a thread like this w/o any relevant facts. OOOOooo, the guy was wearing his uniform and didn't stop to say 'hi' to us!!! He must be abusing our jumpseat policy!! Wow, no shi t Dick Tracy. Did you figure that one out all by yourself? Can you do my taxes for me?

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

We should all try to see the Captain. Agreed. It's his/her show and we may need to get bumped to the cockpit at the last minute. Maybe there is some FAA rule about it too.

Don't know what this guy did. Maybe he was on a paid ticket?


What I don't understand---

Why didn't the ops agent let the Captain know he had a "jumpseater"?

Why was the FAA dude such a dork when the "jumpseater's" creditials have to be checked by the ops agent,remember the passport requirement and photo on the computer??

He couldn't sit in the cockpit anyways with the FAA guy's sorry butt there.

 

[propjob27]

We should all try to see the Captain. Agreed.

No, you shouldn't, when you are travelling as a passenger. It doesn't matter if you happen to be wearing a DAL uniform, or jeans and sneakers. If you are a passenger, you have no need to see the captain unless you're some snot faced kid trying to wipe your hands on the throttle quadrant or a passenger with an original and brilliant comment like, "You boys haven't been drinking, have you? Har Harh." Passengers don't see the captain, they board when their row is called and sit down. Then they get off the airplane and may or may not say "byebye" to the FA at the door. And paying passengers don't ever get "bumped back" into the cockpit, airline pilot or not.

Maybe he was on a paid ticket?

Yeah, he probably was, which totally negates his need to see the cockpit crew, and the need for this thread.

Why didn't the ops agent let the Captain know he had a "jumpseater"?

Because there wasn't one on board.

 

[DAL737FO]

I've had two different scenarios play out at AirTran (which always treats me great by the way). The first time I had my DAL flight cancel in MCO so I take off to the AirTran side to try and jumpseat to ATL. When I get to the gate the gate agent wouldn't give me the jumpseat but instead charged me an ID-90 rate to ATL. No big deal I really needed to get to work. So here I am in uniform now a non rev passenger and not a jumpseater taking my assigned seat when the lead FA says the Capt wants to talk to me. He just wanted to know if I was jumpseating and why I hadn't checked in. When I told him what happened he was mad but not at me, at the gate agent for not giving me the jumpseat free seat. (no charge but you have to sit in back).

The second scenario happens all the time. The gate agents assign you a seat at the gate because, as of right now, we can't sit on the jumpseat. As usual it's a zoo in ATL so the gate agent tells me just to go on and take my seat. I instead go up to the cockpit and introduce myself and the Capt tells me that the gate agents do that to them all the time.

My question to you is what did your paperwork say? At DAL when the gate agent comes down with the final paperwork they say something to the effect numbers are good 14, 128 with 1 jumpseater (MD-88 numbers). This is where the Capt would say that the jumpseater hasn't check in with him. So if they didn't tell you the guy in uniform was a jumpseater then my guess is that he wasn't.

DAL737FO

 

[flying bubba]

Prop, what part of the statement I made earlier, "he was just bumming a ride" did you not understand. I said he was sitting next to one of our pilots in the back who had confirmed that he was a nonrev. He did not occupy a jumpseat or was going to. As far as riding in the cockpit, he still could have as a CASS guy, and we use both cockpit jumpseats for that. I would even appreciated him being there to make small talk with the FAA and keep him busy for us.

 

[USNFDX]

When jumpseating I always ask and bring cookies (time permitting).

When I have a paid ticket, I don't stick my head in the cockpit. If every Fedex pilot did that, NWA would be shut down in MEM every Monday morning!

There's always that 2% that just can't seem to follow the rules or do the right thing. I have them at my company, you have them at yours.

Try not to get you panties in a wad..

 

[propjob27]

King, to answer your question, he was just bumming a ride. The funny part was that he sat next to one of our own positive space pilots going to MCO for recurrent training.

Sorry man, I totally missed your post on page two. Completely my mistake.

Since you've plainly stated that he was travelling as a jumpseater, and not with any form of passenger ticket, then yeah, by all means jumpseaters definately need to show their ID, License, and medical (to the anal captains) in order to travel that way.

If for nothing else, the captain has every right to check his master Scab list to make sure the jumpseater's name isn't on it, or just to make sure he isn't someone else he hates, before giving him a free ride.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

While you are being an a-hole your self blaming the entire DAL work force for not having the proper ettiquette, if he was on an ID-90 or paying ticket, he isn't required to check in with anyone and you owe him and the workforce an apology.

However, if he was on a jumpseat pass, you are correct and he was totally wrong. Considering B6's policy of expecting JSeaters to help your guys scrub the floor during the turn, if he was on a jumpseat pass, he should have been helping you guys with that too.

 

[flying bubba]

No problem buddy, as I stated earlier, not a huge deal, just a little inconsiderate.

Nothing has changed in my mind towards jumpseaters. Any and ALL are welcome, and as always I will take absolutely as many as I can.

Kinda like the school systems these days, "no one gets left behind, no matter what".

 

[propjob27]

Helos2:

Bubba did say on page two of this thread that he confirmed the guy was jumpseat status, not any type paid discount or full fare ticket. (I missed him say that too and felt exactly the way you did, until Bubba pointed out that he'd confirmed it)

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

No, you shouldn't, when you are travelling as a passenger. It doesn't matter if you happen to be wearing a DAL uniform, or jeans and sneakers. If you are a passenger, you have no need to see the captain...

Try to put yourself in the Captain's shoes.

He or She sees you in uniform. They think you may be a jumpseater because of your attire. If you don't check in (with a smile) and say, "Captain, I'm on a paid ticket. If you have a jumpseater, its not me today" you make the Captain search for the agent and ask about you.

Do you really want to make the Captain's job any harder?

Are you really that anti-social you can't spare a few seconds talking to the crew?


If you haven't figured it out, its about impressions. Next thing you know, someone is talking you and your pilot group on www.flightino.com and complaining how rude you are.

 

[mnboyev]

Oh for crying out loud... stop by and say hi.. Had a JB guy fella out of MCO the other day.. His family was full fare and he was JSeating.. Turned out we both worked at NWA back in the day and had a fun chat about ol times.. He was technically a Jumpseater.. nice guy.. Agent sucked of course.. had to 'train' her in... Boy, sure gets old.

Then I had a Fed Ex fella.. nice guy and brought COOKIES.. Full fare Revenue. MEM - ATL.. Nice guy... glad he stopped by, and we got him a better seat......the least we could do on ol tranny.

Worst yet was some ol geezer out of Flint to Atlanta.. he wore suspenders and smelled kinda funny.. Some goofy hat and 4 ragged stripes... poor ol fella. whipped out some kinda badge and medical.. Lord.. the crew kinda got a chuckle out of it. The crew took care of him... I hope the heck I dont have wear suspenders in a few years...