Dal/jal

Mr.B

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Sounds good. Looking at 15-30 wide bodies out of the deal. Hiring projections have inched up too.
That crew compliment sounds about right if we are closer towards 30 jets.
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passenger seats on any Fifth Freedom flight segment between Japan and Asian cities
beyond Japan, unless 316 weekly NRT slots are scheduled to be utilized in Company
flying.
Exception: Through October 30, 2011, the Company will be deemed in compliance
with this provision if it schedules not less than 85% of such 316 weekly NRT slots.
 

andyd

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how many do we utilize now and are we going to increase to the max allotted slots?
 

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What will you do with your cargo slots at NRT? Can you convert them to pax slots? Do those just go to another cargo carrier since you gave up on NWA Cargo?
 

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From the 3rd floor in Eagan:

JAL/DAL is a done deal. Agreement specifics TBA soon

Adding a B747-400 sim at NATCO

Adding 90 crews to the B747-400. (seems a little on the high side, IMO)

Well.. I think this is an important lesson in listening to rumors, no matter who you heard it from.
 

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Well.. I think this is an important lesson in listening to rumors, no matter who you heard it from.
You Heard it hear first: Republic is buying 757/767s...

CYA
 

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The cards were reshuffled a few weeks ago. The whole Puzzle Palace went on lock down. When that happens you know something is amiss.
 

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Well.. I think this is an important lesson in listening to rumors, no matter who you heard it from.
I only mentioned that JAL/DAL being a done deal was the word at NATCO not an actual fact. This message board is almost entirely filled with speculation, rumors and what-ifs, hence it's raison-d'etre.
 

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Japan Air sticks with Qantas in oneworld

"Japan Air sticks with Qantas in oneworld
MATT O'SULLIVAN

February 10, 2010 - 11:26AM

Qantas and its airline partners in the oneworld alliance have won the battle to keep Asia’s biggest carrier, Japan Airlines, in their camp.
JAL’s decision to stay with oneworld is a dramatic turnaround from several weeks ago when it looked to be on the verge of defecting to the Delta Air Lines-led SkyTeam alliance.
The Japanese flagship carrier and American Airlines also announced plans for a strategic alliance on the lucrative Japan-US route. It will require regulatory approval in both Japan and the US.
The deal could also open the way for deeper working relationships with other airlines in the oneworld alliance, including Qantas and British Airways. Qantas has already promised to share its expertise in running a no-frills airline with JAL.
Qantas’s chief executive, Alan Joyce, said in a statement today that the airline was looking forward to working with the new leadership team at JAL. ‘‘We believe oneworld is clearly the right strategic alliance option for JAL, providing both commercial stability and growth opportunities at a vital time for the airline,’’ he said.
Shares in Qantas rose 4 cents to $2.84 in early morning trading.
After entering US-style bankruptcy protection last month, JAL unveiled a restructure plan which includes axing 14 international and 17 domestic routes by the end of March 2013, slashing about 15,700 jobs and phasing out 53 aircraft.
The American Airlines-led oneworld and SkyTeam have been engaged in bidding war to win over JAL for months. American Airlines and private-equity firm TPG offered to invest as much as $US1.4 billion ($1.6 billion) in the Japanese airline.
The decision to stay in oneworld is a relief to Qantas because the alliance helps feed passengers from Japan onto its network. Qantas also has a codeshare with JAL on the Japan-Australia route.
Qantas gains an estimated $500 million a year in revenue from the route. About 70 per cent of the traffic on the route comes from Japan.
It is also a boost to the long-term viability of the 11-member oneworld alliance, which is dwarfed by the 25-member Star Alliance, whose members include the Japanese airline All Nippon Airways.
But it is a slight negative for Virgin Blue which could have benefited from SkyTeam gaining a presence in Japan. The second-largest Australian airline has a close working relationship with Delta, which could have helped it to further any ambitions it has in the Japanese market.
Virgin Blue has previously mooted the possibility of its long-haul offshoot, V Australia, flying to Haneda Airport in Tokyo.
mosullivan@smh.com.au
SMH"
 

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If it (US - Japan route) is so lucrative, why are they losing money on it?

ESPRIT
 

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Re rumors . Had both the big boys on flts ATL/NRT and never did they ever say done deal. Mostly we would like this and are making our best effort. At a flt ops road show a few weeks ago week i found it interesting that Capt Steve said he was planning as was the rest of the company as if the JAL was not going to happen.They had never been told to make plans other wise...
 

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Brings up a good point. Management think pilots are stupid. Why? Because we listen to everything they say like it is gold!! How many pilots are there at Delta, and how many of those think they know what is going to happen? Then number is close to equal. This is a rumor board, but people get too caught up in what they think the future will hold. If management tells you that it is a good thing, don't for a second think they are talking about a good thing for pilots - and this is why the failure of DL/JAL is a good thing for Delta pilots (IMHO).
 

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Brings up a good point. Management think pilots are stupid. Why? Because we listen to everything they say like it is gold!! How many pilots are there at Delta, and how many of those think they know what is going to happen? Then number is close to equal. This is a rumor board, but people get too caught up in what they think the future will hold. If management tells you that it is a good thing, don't for a second think they are talking about a good thing for pilots - and this is why the failure of DL/JAL is a good thing for Delta pilots (IMHO).

Pilots think because they are educated and in control of million dollar assets that they are asset managers in the company.

Air Line Pilots do Not Run or Operate Airlines.
A pilots job is to safely operate a jet from point A to B. Trying to stay atop of what management is doing without all the information (not being in the board room or the backroom) is like a passenger in the back row trying to guess how and what the pilots should do next.

A great a example is the misguided efforts of the UAL pilots and the ESOP.
 

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Brings up a good point. Management think pilots are stupid. Why? Because we listen to everything they say like it is gold!! How many pilots are there at Delta, and how many of those think they know what is going to happen? Then number is close to equal. This is a rumor board, but people get too caught up in what they think the future will hold. If management tells you that it is a good thing, don't for a second think they are talking about a good thing for pilots - and this is why the failure of DL/JAL is a good thing for Delta pilots (IMHO).

Contrary to popular beleive they do not need to be mutually exclusive. There are times when our interests can align.
 

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How is all this going to affect the potential hiring?
I never really bought into the idea that a JAL would produce a large difference in the amount of pilots required. In fact I had my suspicions that the JAL deal may work against us.
 

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I never really bought into the idea that a JAL would produce a large difference in the amount of pilots required. In fact I had my suspicions that the JAL deal may work against us.
You're most likely correct in that a significant portion of the Asia interport flying could have gone to JAL.
 
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