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Superpilot92

Superpilot92

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Lots of upward movement

Lots of unfilled positions

Newhires should have their pick of a number of different aircraft and bases.

MSP looks to becoming very junior
 
MSP7ER, MEM320, DTW320, NYC73N, NYCM88, MSPM88, ATLM88 All went to the bottom of the seniority list and pretty much all look to have had seats go unfilled. Especially in MSP

SLC320 and MSP320 went pretty junior

DC9 didnt change much and i'm not sure if there are seats unfilled or not but there werent many awards in the DC9 category.
 
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Yep, my buddy who is 12 from the BOTTOM of the WHOLE LIST (# 12,325 or somewhere around that) got MSP 7ER ...
 
They displaced 35-40 in MSP and DTW DC-9 as the -30/40's get parked this fall. Alot of MSP MD-88/90 awards went pretty junior as it builds to 160 crews. Think this award gets MSP MadDog size to approx. 120?
 
Yes it did. I'm just about the bottom and got awarded something I never thought I did. I learned the lesson of becareful what you bid, you just might get it.
 
Dumb question...What's a 7ER?
 
Diesel-9 said:
They displaced 35-40 in MSP and DTW DC-9 as the -30/40's get parked this fall. Alot of MSP MD-88/90 awards went pretty junior as it builds to 160 crews. Think this award gets MSP MadDog size to approx. 120?
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That sounds right.

Too lazy to count them but I'd venture to say there are at least 50 unfilled F/O spots on the -88/90 up in MSP after this bid.

Hard to tell what they actually want to backfill the 320 to so that's anyone's guess.

The fact the the 7ER basically went to the last guys on the whole list leads me to believe it might not have been completely filled as well. Most likely you'll see any open slots on it in the future filled with guys senior to those that are on the bottom now (since the bottom is now safely lined). That's what's been happening in NYC. It went from New Hires to needing 10 years seniority to bid in.

I think people really underestimated the "suck" factor of all of the new open slots out west (SEA). MSP is looking like a haven for seniority...even for a soon to be new hire!
 
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Super Monkey said:
Dumb question...What's a 7ER?
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757/767 both domestic and international.

7ER was an old Delta South label for strictly international/long haul stuff, but it's cheaper to combine the categories.

Wish they had stayed separate, but you can't have it all I guess!
 
FlyinPiker said:
757/767 both domestic and international.

7ER was an old Delta South label for strictly international/long haul stuff, but it's cheaper to combine the categories.

Wish they had stayed separate, but you can't have it all I guess!
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Thanx flyinpiker!:beer:
 
In the 757/767 flying, we have designations for bidding/category purposes of 767 and 7ER.

If u get a 767 category you can fly either the 757 or 767 but only domestically. The 7ER categories may get either the 757 or 767 but can include Int'l flying. In the past, 7ER meant only International. Forex now in NYC their are domestic trips thrown in that three years ago never were there. It makes this category less attractive to the commuter as the majority of the International "push" is commutable and domestic fly may start early in the morning.

I am sure within a few years, "767" will go away and all categories in all domiciles will have Int'l and domestic trip in their bid packages...
 
When's the next AE planned for? Because I think I'm now more junior on the MSP DC9 FO position than I would be on the MSP MD88.
 
Helos2Galaxy said:
In the 757/767 flying, we have designations for bidding/category purposes of 767 and 7ER.

If u get a 767 category you can fly either the 757 or 767 but only domestically. The 7ER categories may get either the 757 or 767 but can include Int'l flying. In the past, 7ER meant only International. Forex now in NYC their are domestic trips thrown in that three years ago never were there. It makes this category less attractive to the commuter as the majority of the International "push" is commutable and domestic fly may start early in the morning.

I am sure within a few years, "767" will go away and all categories in all domiciles will have Int'l and domestic trip in their bid packages...
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Since they are doing more domestic flying on the 7ER, they need to fix the short call system to only 12 hours instead of 24.
 
things must be really working and moving at DAL. the past couple of years there is a merger, no furloughs and it looks like a decent clip of new hires. at CAL furloughs and now a measly 15 recalls. UAL plenty of furloughs. even SWA no furloughs but no new hires so far. i don't know whats going on there but wow.
 
Will the classes start after the summer, or is it the classes and interviews after the summer??
 
Good joke about Love and Dal but Love field is the one were American and Delta left and built DFW with their money for the city and people of Dallas only to have the bottom feeder(SWA) come in and move into Dal for nothingm Just like they did when the big airlines paid for O'hare and now Den. Just saying it must be nice to have someone else pay for ur stuff, its the American way.
 
ugasucks said:
Good joke about Love and Dal but Love field is the one were American and Delta left and built DFW with their money for the city and people of Dallas only to have the bottom feeder(SWA) come in and move into Dal for nothingm Just like they did when the big airlines paid for O'hare and now Den. Just saying it must be nice to have someone else pay for ur stuff, its the American way.
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Dude, there's no reason for that. It'd be nice if there were more solidarity among those of us that do this job. I love working at DL but it sure would be nice to work for a company that didn't lose money by the train load every quarter.
 
openings

Based on the estimated category list provide on the dalpa forum, here COULD be the openings:


ATL M88 28

DTW 320 56
DTW DC9 13

LAX 73N 1

MEM 320 2
MEM DC9 12

MSP 320 43
MSP M88 65
MSP DC9 10

NYC 73N 2
NYC M88 31


Not saying this has anything to do with reality:D but the estimated category list compared to the 22 D 3 report left these openings

fish
 
fishguy79 said:
Based on the estimated category list provide on the dalpa forum, here COULD be the openings:


ATL M88 28

DTW 320 56
DTW DC9 13

LAX 73N 1

MEM 320 2
MEM DC9 12

MSP 320 43
MSP M88 65
MSP DC9 10

NYC 73N 2
NYC M88 31


Not saying this has anything to do with reality:D but the estimated category list compared to the 22 D 3 report left these openings

fish
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I know of at least 10 pilots that bid LAX and did not get it. I find it hard to believe any LAX openings went unfilled. The other categories look reasonable to me. I would probably add MSP7ER.
 
hockeypilot44 said:
I know of at least 10 pilots that bid LAX and did not get it. I find it hard to believe any LAX openings went unfilled. The other categories look reasonable to me. I would probably add MSP7ER.
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MSP7ER showed 228 required and 228 in category. I was wondering about LAX and also MEM 320 because it only had 2 openings. Cant wait to see the actually category list.
 
fishguy79 said:
MSP7ER showed 228 required and 228 in category. I was wondering about LAX and also MEM 320 because it only had 2 openings. Cant wait to see the actually category list.
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I think you're right about mem having a few unfilled slots but I also think hockey is right about msp7er have unfilled slots.

I know a few guys who wanted lax but got the 7er by surprise first.

Either way, it's good to see positive movement :beer:
 
FWIW,
Just because there are ER slots does not mean that those will be the first ones filled. The bid created vacancies as we knew it would. It is now at the companies discretion as to where they stick class one, two, etc. The new hires will go to where the initial need is.
 
ACL65PILOT said:
FWIW,
Just because there are ER slots does not mean that those will be the first ones filled. The bid created vacancies as we knew it would. It is now at the companies discretion as to where they stick class one, two, etc. The new hires will go to where the initial need is.
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Lots to think about here.

I'm with ACL. The big gaps above are probably where you will see class vacancies. MSP, NYC, ATL -88. MSP & DTW 320.

I also would not be surprised to see DTW & MSP DC-9. I have a hard time believing all of those senior guys are really going to ride out reserve/bottom dweller on the -9 to the bitter end. The bottom dropped out quite a bit for most of them on this last bid. I think a lot of them underestimated that the guys below would be able to bid out (our AE system which is still new to DAL North guys pretty much guaranteed it though with 300+ surpluses). That's sacrificing quite a bit of QOL just to get a mandatory displacement 4-5 years from now...especially now they see how much more seniority they would have in other categories that pay more (do you want to sit on the bottom of the -9, or have decent seniority on the 320/7ER? By the time you get displaced you could have paid for your own move with the higher pay, plus your 2 year seat lock would have been up already).

For the smaller numbers in "openings" shown in the post above being less than 10 short in a seat probably isn't going to be a priority. If there are a few seats open in places like MSP ER or LAX 73N those seats will be filled no problem on the next AE or if they really need them they can tack them on to a class here and there.

They will do what they have to do to keep undesirable positions filled. Last hiring wave NYC -88 was a revolving door so it showed up on just about every drop towards the end of the hiring spree regardless what the staffing was up there. Since New Hires are not seat locked, and in times of hiring AE's occur about every 3-4 months, they will have to continuously refill positions like NYC -88, DTW -9, MSP -9 as guys that get "stuck" with things they don't want quickly bid off to something else.

Some pretty big holes need to be filled on some pretty attractive positions as well (-88/320 MSP/DTW/ATL) though so in the end it all comes down exactly to what ACL said. "They'll stick em where they need em".

The good thing is as long as they keep the hiring/A.E.'s going most in the front half of the wave should be able to get into a decent seat inside of 6 months...and if hiring keeps on after that, life will be good for all.
 
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