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[Hamfighter]

Nope.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Here's a scenario question for you. If Delta management agreed to bring all the regional flying (requiring about 4000 pilots) not currently on long term contracts (ie Skywest 10 year agreement) to mainline and also agreed to not farm any new regional flying out, would you accept a four year contract starting in 2012 that only went up 10% percent over those four years? What if it was a total increase of only 5%?

I will not state what I would accept since everyone reads these boards. I would be willing to bet that it would fail. Too many ppl are happy if scope stays where it is and pay is increased. Most will be willing to accept it since the cost to bring back flying that is in effect unprofitable would be too high. Even the 76 seat 900's are thin money makers. Fuel goes up that exacerbates the situation.

Keep scope where it is and raise the pay is what I am hearing. In the end it depends on what the group as a whole wants.

 

[Superpilot92]

I will not state what I would accept since everyone reads these boards. I would be willing to bet that it would fail. Too many ppl are happy if scope stays where it is and pay is increased. Most will be willing to accept it since the cost to bring back flying that is in effect unprofitable would be too high. Even the 76 seat 900's are thin money makers. Fuel goes up that exacerbates the situation.

Keep scope where it is and raise the pay is what I am hearing. In the end it depends on what the group as a whole wants.

do that and put a permanent CAP on it

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They see 255 as the permanent cap Super. Most I talk to see DCI getting 255 76 seat jets. Company states they do not want em, but if the Association see it that way, they better mean though growth.

I do agree that we should cap them at the current number.

 

[Superpilot92]

They see 255 as the permanent cap Super. Most I talk to see DCI getting 255 76 seat jets. Company states they do not want em, but if the Association see it that way, they better mean though growth.

I do agree that we should cap them at the current number.

Yeah I meant CAP them at the current number. I understand the company doesnt want anymore 76 seaters either so CAP it at the current number. It appears that the current mgmt team understands that you cant be a dominant airline if you put your pax on RJ's everywhere. The RJ bubble was a filler after 9/11 for the airlines to maintain routes and now it appears they're leading towards building the airline back up. Nows the time for us as a pilot group to take advantage of this.

 

[lookin4better]

Throwing the wholly owned DCI carries onto the senority list at Delta is highly unlikely....I would not count on it as a pilot for any DCI carrier. They are connection for a reason.....just business.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Throwing the wholly owned DCI carries onto the senority list at Delta is highly unlikely....I would not count on it as a pilot for any DCI carrier. They are connection for a reason.....just business.

I beleive that was my point. I was just adding the total number of pilots together. Add in a few more international destinations and a modest down tick in flying being performed at DCI and you arrive at a number very close to the rumor.

In reality it only matters if the leadership does not change, or the economics of the 76 seat and below market continue to remain marginal.

 

[twobits]

collusion at work? Skyteam gets JAL codeshares in asia, oneworld gets Cargo throughout the world, and Star gets atlantic codeshares = increase in overall industry profit! GO IATA, just don't cut pilot pay and we won't tell.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Two, the end goal is to get every airline to the point where they can make the most money. That better be good for us.

 

[Ed Harley]

When does crew scheduling put out the Category List so we can see how senior (or junior) we are? I thought it usually came out 1 week after the AE?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It is out there. It is the projected category list based on the Jan 1 AE. Look for it, it is there.