DAL 767ER NYC Question

[BigShow]

I will start class on Jan 21. If I get the ER in NYC can you bid for the 757/767 ATL without a seat lock? How long is the conversion? I live in ATL and would like to get back if assigned another base.

 

[KCPilot]

There is no seat lock going from the 7ER to the 757/767. The way things are, you might be able to bid the ER out of ATL too.

Good luck!

 

[rf285]

I think it is 9 months once you convert back to domestic, so who cares! The 88 is where it's at though! I was projected to convert in april to ATL but was moved up to February. Not to shabby.

 

[Schiphol]

not true. you only incur a seat lock if you touch the schoolhouse.

 

[DAL737FO]

I think it is 9 months once you convert back to domestic, so who cares! The 88 is where it's at though! I was projected to convert in april to ATL but was moved up to February. Not to shabby.

That's actually only if going from Domestic to International (or the 6 hour MD90 course but don't get me started). Here it is from the section 22 of the contract:

Exception one: A domestic category pilot will incur a 9-month category freeze if:
a. the award is an AE or VD for the same position in an international category, and
b. he requires no qualification training, other than transoceanic ground school​

 

[Bluto]

How long does it take for domicile transfers to take effect after an AE if no training is required? For example, if one were hired into the 76ER NYC, but awarded 75/76 LAX on the first AE, I understand that would require no additional training, but how long would it take for that person to actually be based in LAX? Would it make a difference if the person were still in training?

 

[KCPilot]

How long does it take for domicile transfers to take effect after an AE if no training is required? For example, if one were hired into the 76ER NYC, but awarded 75/76 LAX on the first AE, I understand that would require no additional training, but how long would it take for that person to actually be based in LAX? Would it make a difference if the person were still in training?

I'm in that boat right now. From what I'm being told it will be at the end of the conversion window which is 1 Jun, so 6 months in NYC for me. I was told this is based on how quickly they can train my replacement and from what I can tell it's also based on seniority. It does not make a difference if you are in training.

But after being in NYC on the ER, I really do like the trips. So depending on how LA is, I might come back!

 

[Bluto]

Are you commuting out there? How is that on reserve? I live on the west coast and I'm trying to decide my initial bid if I have a choice (which rumor has it, I may.)

 

[KCPilot]

I won't lie, the commute sucks from the West Coast, esp right now when the winds can be bad! They use you on reserve, which is good. Showtimes start around 3 PM. So for me, I go out the day prior.

But being on the West Coast, if you have a choice, bid west. I'm told the SLC MD90 trips are good (no redeye transcons and the show times are somewhat banker hours). As for the 73/75/76 out of LA and SLC, I'm not too sure how good reserve is or the trip. Some others here might be able to speak on that.

 

[General Lee]

I won't lie, the commute sucks from the West Coast, esp right now when the winds can be bad! They use you on reserve, which is good. Showtimes start around 3 PM. So for me, I go out the day prior.

But being on the West Coast, if you have a choice, bid west. I'm told the SLC MD90 trips are good (no redeye transcons and the show times are somewhat banker hours). As for the 73/75/76 out of LA and SLC, I'm not too sure how good reserve is or the trip. Some others here might be able to speak on that.

The LA 73N trips initially will be two or three day out and backs--mainly allnighters. They are just starting to get that operation started, and it would be easier if you lived there.

As far as commuting for the ER from the West Coast, the best thing to do would be to fly nonrev on the allnighter from LAX to JFK, sleep at a cheap hotel when you get to NYC (if you can get an early hotel room), get up prior to duty in and then fly allnight to Europe. That would get your body clock adjusted. As a newhire that might get expensive, though. If you know someone out there or can get a cheap, quite crashpad, then maybe it could work. Good luck to you, and word is also that LA 7ER will have Europe trips too, in addition to Hawaii. The trips will start LAX to JFK, then the next day hit a short Europe trip from JFK (SNN, AMS, DUB, MAN), then back to JFK (nice Manhattan layover), and the last day back to LAX. So, LA ER might give you some great variety if you live in LA and want to see Hawaii and Europe. Another rumor says LA ER will get the SLC to Paris (CDG) flying also.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[bmxandjets]

how is the a/c assignment chosen out of training? seniority? thanks.

 

[JOPILOT]

"As far as commuting for the ER from the West Coast, the best thing to do would be to fly nonrev on the allnighter from LAX to JFK, sleep at a cheap hotel when you get to NYC (if you can get an early hotel room), get up prior to duty in and then fly allnight to Europe." -- GL

And where is exactly are there cheap motel rooms in NYC? If you are speaking relatively a cheap room might be $149/night with a crew discount! Better off with a crash pad for $200-$300 for the month.

You can keep the NY flying, I'll stick to the left coast. Peace JP.

 

[avrodriver]

That's actually only if going from Domestic to International (or the 6 hour MD90 course but don't get me started). Here it is from the section 22 of the contract:

Exception one: A domestic category pilot will incur a 9-month category freeze if:
a. the award is an AE or VD for the same position in an international category, and
b. he requires no qualification training, other than transoceanic ground school​

BB came into class the other day and unless I misunderstood him he said the 9 month lock on the -88/90 is no more. I suppose because now it's just a matter of popping in a disk.

 

[iaflyer]

how is the a/c assignment chosen out of training? seniority? thanks.

It is by senority within the class - which is determined by the last 4 digits of your SSN. High numbers are better - ie, 9999 would have the highest seniority in the class.

 

[BigShow]

How's class Alex? What did you get?