DAL 767ER NYC Question

[BigShow]

I will start class on Jan 21. If I get the ER in NYC can you bid for the 757/767 ATL without a seat lock? How long is the conversion? I live in ATL and would like to get back if assigned another base.

 

[KCPilot]

There is no seat lock going from the 7ER to the 757/767. The way things are, you might be able to bid the ER out of ATL too.

Good luck!

 

[rf285]

I think it is 9 months once you convert back to domestic, so who cares! The 88 is where it's at though! I was projected to convert in april to ATL but was moved up to February. Not to shabby.

 

[Schiphol]

not true. you only incur a seat lock if you touch the schoolhouse.

 

[DAL737FO]

I think it is 9 months once you convert back to domestic, so who cares! The 88 is where it's at though! I was projected to convert in april to ATL but was moved up to February. Not to shabby.

That's actually only if going from Domestic to International (or the 6 hour MD90 course but don't get me started). Here it is from the section 22 of the contract:

Exception one: A domestic category pilot will incur a 9-month category freeze if:
a. the award is an AE or VD for the same position in an international category, and
b. he requires no qualification training, other than transoceanic ground school​

 

[Bluto]

How long does it take for domicile transfers to take effect after an AE if no training is required? For example, if one were hired into the 76ER NYC, but awarded 75/76 LAX on the first AE, I understand that would require no additional training, but how long would it take for that person to actually be based in LAX? Would it make a difference if the person were still in training?

 

[KCPilot]

How long does it take for domicile transfers to take effect after an AE if no training is required? For example, if one were hired into the 76ER NYC, but awarded 75/76 LAX on the first AE, I understand that would require no additional training, but how long would it take for that person to actually be based in LAX? Would it make a difference if the person were still in training?

I'm in that boat right now. From what I'm being told it will be at the end of the conversion window which is 1 Jun, so 6 months in NYC for me. I was told this is based on how quickly they can train my replacement and from what I can tell it's also based on seniority. It does not make a difference if you are in training.

But after being in NYC on the ER, I really do like the trips. So depending on how LA is, I might come back!

 

[Bluto]

Are you commuting out there? How is that on reserve? I live on the west coast and I'm trying to decide my initial bid if I have a choice (which rumor has it, I may.)

 

[KCPilot]

I won't lie, the commute sucks from the West Coast, esp right now when the winds can be bad! They use you on reserve, which is good. Showtimes start around 3 PM. So for me, I go out the day prior.

But being on the West Coast, if you have a choice, bid west. I'm told the SLC MD90 trips are good (no redeye transcons and the show times are somewhat banker hours). As for the 73/75/76 out of LA and SLC, I'm not too sure how good reserve is or the trip. Some others here might be able to speak on that.

 

[General Lee]

I won't lie, the commute sucks from the West Coast, esp right now when the winds can be bad! They use you on reserve, which is good. Showtimes start around 3 PM. So for me, I go out the day prior.

But being on the West Coast, if you have a choice, bid west. I'm told the SLC MD90 trips are good (no redeye transcons and the show times are somewhat banker hours). As for the 73/75/76 out of LA and SLC, I'm not too sure how good reserve is or the trip. Some others here might be able to speak on that.

The LA 73N trips initially will be two or three day out and backs--mainly allnighters. They are just starting to get that operation started, and it would be easier if you lived there.

As far as commuting for the ER from the West Coast, the best thing to do would be to fly nonrev on the allnighter from LAX to JFK, sleep at a cheap hotel when you get to NYC (if you can get an early hotel room), get up prior to duty in and then fly allnight to Europe. That would get your body clock adjusted. As a newhire that might get expensive, though. If you know someone out there or can get a cheap, quite crashpad, then maybe it could work. Good luck to you, and word is also that LA 7ER will have Europe trips too, in addition to Hawaii. The trips will start LAX to JFK, then the next day hit a short Europe trip from JFK (SNN, AMS, DUB, MAN), then back to JFK (nice Manhattan layover), and the last day back to LAX. So, LA ER might give you some great variety if you live in LA and want to see Hawaii and Europe. Another rumor says LA ER will get the SLC to Paris (CDG) flying also.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[bmxandjets]

how is the a/c assignment chosen out of training? seniority? thanks.

 

[JOPILOT]

"As far as commuting for the ER from the West Coast, the best thing to do would be to fly nonrev on the allnighter from LAX to JFK, sleep at a cheap hotel when you get to NYC (if you can get an early hotel room), get up prior to duty in and then fly allnight to Europe." -- GL

And where is exactly are there cheap motel rooms in NYC? If you are speaking relatively a cheap room might be $149/night with a crew discount! Better off with a crash pad for $200-$300 for the month.

You can keep the NY flying, I'll stick to the left coast. Peace JP.

 

[avrodriver]

That's actually only if going from Domestic to International (or the 6 hour MD90 course but don't get me started). Here it is from the section 22 of the contract:

Exception one: A domestic category pilot will incur a 9-month category freeze if:
a. the award is an AE or VD for the same position in an international category, and
b. he requires no qualification training, other than transoceanic ground school​

BB came into class the other day and unless I misunderstood him he said the 9 month lock on the -88/90 is no more. I suppose because now it's just a matter of popping in a disk.

 

[iaflyer]

how is the a/c assignment chosen out of training? seniority? thanks.

It is by senority within the class - which is determined by the last 4 digits of your SSN. High numbers are better - ie, 9999 would have the highest seniority in the class.

 

[BigShow]

How's class Alex? What did you get?

 

[Sedona16]

"As far as commuting for the ER from the West Coast, the best thing to do would be to fly nonrev on the allnighter from LAX to JFK, sleep at a cheap hotel when you get to NYC (if you can get an early hotel room), get up prior to duty in and then fly allnight to Europe." -- GL

And where is exactly are there cheap motel rooms in NYC? If you are speaking relatively a cheap room might be $149/night with a crew discount! Better off with a crash pad for $200-$300 for the month.

You can keep the NY flying, I'll stick to the left coast. Peace JP.

Just get a crashpad. Heres one in queens. Really nice...everything new, with plasma TV, fingerprint door lock, etc. 954 682 6893 Its owned by a United Pilot who also commutes to his house out west I believe. $200/mo for a "hotbed" and $250/mo for your own perminent bed.

 

[Gunfighter]

And where is exactly are there cheap motel rooms in NYC? If you are speaking relatively a cheap room might be $149/night with a crew discount! Better off with a crash pad for $200-$300 for the month.

The cheapest room I've found is Five Towns Inn for $100 including tax and a free hotel shuttle. I've also heard that Sunrise offers a good crew rate.

When comparing to the cost of a crash pad don't forget to add in the transportation cost to/from the crashpad. That will add from $5-$30 per night to your monthly crashpad cost.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Just get a crashpad. Heres one in queens. Really nice...everything new, with plasma TV, fingerprint door lock, etc. 954 682 6893 Its owned by a United Pilot who also commutes to his house out west I believe. $200/mo for a "hotbed" and $250/mo for your own perminent bed.

I stayed at that one for 2 months while I was on the 88 shuttle. It was exceptional! The area is decent, and you can walk to LGA- directly to the shuttle terminal and I would just walk to Hertz and hop on one of their busses if I needed to go to the main terminal.

 

[jrcpilot]

How long does it take for domicile transfers to take effect after an AE if no training is required? For example, if one were hired into the 76ER NYC, but awarded 75/76 LAX on the first AE, I understand that would require no additional training, but how long would it take for that person to actually be based in LAX? Would it make a difference if the person were still in training?

It is basically based on how quickly they can backfill you current position. In other words someone must be already qualified coming to fill your current slot or must have completed training and I believe finish IOE to fill your slot. May not always be the case but generally thats what has to happen form what I understand. This came from Crew resources. Someone else may better explain it than me however. I don't have the contract handy.

 

[3ds]

How's class Alex? What did you get?

"Alex" don't answer that one whoever you are!

Confirmed that BB said the 9 month freeze is no more for the 88-90 transition. Perhaps DAL wants to be able to get some 90 pilots quickly.

 

[bmxandjets]

It is by senority within the class - which is determined by the last 4 digits of your SSN. High numbers are better - ie, 9999 would have the highest seniority in the class.

thanks for the info! what's a "typical" trip like on the 767ER out of NYC? thanks.

 

[bmxandjets]

also, can anyone shed light on how much time it takes from 'day one' - 'IOE complete' (767ER)? thanks.

 

[flyboy006]

also, can anyone shed light on how much time it takes from 'day one' - 'IOE complete' (767ER)? thanks.

Typically it can take anywhere from 2.5 months to 3 months maybe a bit more on the ER. After Indoc, typically you get a week or two off to go home and study but that is all dependant on the sim availability. It could be more time off, it could be less. Then you come back and its about a month to get through the sims etc. Then you go do domestic IOE. They usually block out about 3 weeks for this. Again all dependant on check airman availability. Then after completion of that you go back to ATL for World Wide ops/Over water Nav which is 2 days. Then you go out and do a TOE(trans oceanic). After that you are done..

 

[bmxandjets]

Typically it can take anywhere from 2.5 months to 3 months maybe a bit more on the ER. After Indoc, typically you get a week or two off to go home and study but that is all dependant on the sim availability. It could be more time off, it could be less. Then you come back and its about a month to get through the sims etc. Then you go do domestic IOE. They usually block out about 3 weeks for this. Again all dependant on check airman availability. Then after completion of that you go back to ATL for World Wide ops/Over water Nav which is 2 days. Then you go out and do a TOE(trans oceanic). After that you are done..

thanks for all the good info. just a couple more random questions, what's pay like for training and is housing/hotel out-of-pocket?

 

[jke406]

thanks for all the good info. just a couple more random questions, what's pay like for training and is housing/hotel out-of-pocket?

please try the search function--these questions are on here about every week.

 

[3ds]

Nice one jke,

BMX,
you get 2750/month and they pay for a hotel the first 2 weeks of indoc. AFter that, you're on your own to find a crashpad or hotel room in ATL.

2 ER guys in this class start the day after indoc. The next 2 start 4 days after indoc.

 

[Schiphol]

Yeah, we need you guys at JFK as soon as you can get here.

The summer flying increase is going to be ginormous.

 

[bmxandjets]

thanks for the info guys-

 

[Gunfighter]

thanks for the info! what's a "typical" trip like on the 767ER out of NYC? thanks.

Late afternoon report for an evening takeoff. Fly 7-10 hours. Layover for 24,48 or 72 hours. Fly 8-11 hours back to JFK for an afternoon arrival.

Some trips are "W" rotations. They go over and back, then over and back, with the middle stop in the US to CVG or ATL.

JFK is getting more variety in the trips with more destinations, including Central and South America, so the typical trip may not be so typical by this summer.

 

[Patriot328]

Typically it can take anywhere from 2.5 months to 3 months maybe a bit more on the ER. After Indoc, typically you get a week or two off to go home and study but that is all dependant on the sim availability. It could be more time off, it could be less. Then you come back and its about a month to get through the sims etc. Then you go do domestic IOE. They usually block out about 3 weeks for this. Again all dependant on check airman availability. Then after completion of that you go back to ATL for World Wide ops/Over water Nav which is 2 days. Then you go out and do a TOE(trans oceanic). After that you are done..

Sorry for the thread drift, but I have to ask. Y'all do a full IOE (25hrs) domestically, then go back to the school house for ETOPS training, and then do a Trans-Atlantic flight to finish up and get on line? What a novel idea!

We do all of it at once and the trans-atlantic flight counts towards initial IOE. My IOE consisted of a EWR-Europe trip and two domestic turns. Six legs total.

I like your way better.