DAL 100 Seat Scope Deal

[IAHERJ]

Our IRO ops....., are all but fixed. Our management has already shown that a return to previous IRO ops are going to happen. It almost happened outside of the contract negotiations but we didn't bite. Will your scope be changed as easy as our embarrassing IRO ops.....? Seriously?

 

[slaquer5]

At least our MEC never supported a pft program where you had to buy your job to get hired!

Easy, I sure hope your not on the way to climb up some tower, you nut job. I did not mean to upset the most bitter and unstable person on FI

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Easy, I sure hope your not on the way to climb up some tower, you nut job. I did not mean to upset the most bitter and unstable person on FI

I sure hope you're not that stupid!:laugh: Of course anyone stupid enough to buy their job...............
Well, at least the pft got you through!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Our IRO ops....., are all but fixed.

Are your IRO's still deadheading over to europe for less than 8 hr flights?
Where? In biz or coach?

Our management has already shown that a return to previous IRO ops are going to happen.

Like most things in aviation, I'll believe it when I see it.

It almost happened outside of the contract negotiations but we didn't bite.

We'll see when/IF it takes effect.

Will your scope be changed as easy as our embarrassing IRO ops.....? Seriously?

Seriously.....Probably. There are more small rj's (think 50 seats) coming out of the system this year.
You should also work on getting your new hires health benefits from DOH, not 6 months later. That's pretty embarrassing as well!

 

[JI Gone OH]

You should also work on getting your new hires health benefits from DOH, not 6 months later. That's pretty embarrassing as well!

I bet we'll have health insurance for our new hires long before you eliminate 70 seat jets from your regional fleet.

 

[General Lee]

I really hope you guys don't bite on any more scope relief. Your scope section is embarrassing.

Bye Bye,

IAHERJ

How many of your 737-500s are being replaced by Dash-8-400s? Looks like you omitted that from your scope. EWR and now IAH. Your jets are not being replaced by 70 seat jets, but rather 70 seat PROPS! And their safety record aint great. Not good. It's spreading......and there is NOTHING you can do about it. The Dash-8-400s also take up more space at a gate than a 50 seater, so it is almost like having a 70 seat jet. Don't get cocky---just fix your lame contract soon. Not only are your bases krappy, but you have low pay, IROs in Coach, bad insurance for newhires, and a loophole for as many large props as they can fit into a ramp area. The truth hurts, doesn't it? But don't worry, if the UAL/USAir thing doesn't work out, maybe UAL and CAL can. That should make you feel better.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[IAHERJ]

Spoken like a true self conscious prick. I make one comment firing back at your endless rant against CAL and you get your feeling hurt. See my reply to you on the other thread for more. General, you work for the largest airline in the world! There, you feel better now. We will fix our problems. I hope you do the same.

ByeBye......IAHERJ

 

[IAHERJ]

Are your IRO's still deadheading over to europe for less than 8 hr flights?
Where? In biz or coach?

Like most things in aviation, I'll believe it when I see it.


We'll see when/IF it takes effect.


Seriously.....Probably. There are more small rj's (think 50 seats) coming out of the system this year.
You should also work on getting your new hires health benefits from DOH, not 6 months later. That's pretty embarrassing as well!

We are aware of our issues. The company formally offered to return the the previous rest area over a year ago. Our union told them they were not interested in negotiating that item for an item the company wanted relief on at that time. It really happened. Instead of slapping us for our rest area not being in business first 100% of the time you should be applauding our pilots for not letting the company dangle that carrot in front of us in order to cave on something we hold much more higher; scope(the issue at hand was scope related albeit not of the RJ kind of scope). The funny thing is that it seems that you and the GL guy will find a way to bash whatever contract we end up getting instead of building on that and pattern bargaining forward for the good of the industry. It is a personal thing, isn't it.... When you two can't attack our contract(which we can control) you move on to our bases(that we cannot control). That is when you start to show your insecure side and lose the validity of your argument. We knew the bases when we accepted employment at CAL. And as for our 70 seat props, I'll take them any day over a 70 seat jet. They will continue to grow, yes. But they do less harm than a 70 seat jet as far as replacement flying goes. I don't like the idea of them replacing our 737-300/500's but that cat is out of the bag. Percentage wise, we are still better off than what has happened to other mainline carriers as far as replacement of mainline flying over the last decade. In fact, CAL is the only legacy airline that has grown domestic mainline ASMs over the last decade. Like I have said, and continue to say, we will get our house in order. Thanks for caring.



IAHERJ

 

[slaquer5]

I sure hope you're not that stupid!:laugh: Of course anyone stupid enough to buy their job...............
Well, at least the pft got you through!

First, yes I am that stupid

Second, I rather be stupid than bitter/ angry any day

 

[100/hour/5y]

I would leave CAL tomorrow for DL...

CAL SUCKS

 

[waveflyer]

Nice thread-
"my company sucks, BUT IT SUCKS WAY LESS THAN YOURS!!!"

Scope- your schtick works, so I don't blame you for keeping it up as long as guys jump in so defensively- but while you keep on your pft trip and try and get a rise out of pilots
you cant overstep the fact that 90+% of Swa pilots are happy w/ just about everything- and for good reason.

For my generation- there's only been one people carrier worth working at. Every other place, you have to be super active in your union from day 1 to address a hundred different very real problems.

I wish you sincere good luck in your battles- and all ego trips aside- you have my support

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Some mechanic is getting high fives from his buddies after starting this rumor...

 

[CesnaCaptn]

With a number that high- does it matter?
Seriously- what a retarded question...

I only asked, because I thought there was a section 1 limitation. I was wondering if that limit had been exceeded. Sorry I asked. I'll try to ask myself if my question is retarded before typing next time.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Heard today that the Co approached Dalpa about 100 seat relief for a 22% pay increase. I hope this is just an ugly rumor but I heard it from someone on the 3rd floor and "in the know". Normally I wouldn't get worked up about hearsay but with the history of Dalpa signing LOA's first and informing/"consulting" later...has me worried. If this happens not only will we not hire for a decade, we could possibly end up furloughing. At the very least it would mean career stagnation for years. They can take the 22% and shove it IMHO.

Your rumor has holes in it......Your first problem is using a quote from anybody on the THIRD floor. Only the FOURTH floor would know......and second?? You know the only source to trust around this place is a Flight Attendant....c'mon and get with the program!!:laugh:

 

[andyd]

Yeah yeah yeah, you are right....but it doesn't hurt for all of us to be cognizant of the fact that the co MAY try this tactic and that we ALL need to make our reps fully aware that it is a non starter and that we will NOT stand for it. It shouldn't even make it to the point of an mec vote, it should be rejected by the chair outright and not even be brought up for consideration.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The third floor was NWA's Fourth floor. FWIW.....

FWIW, had a friend tell me that a few company pilots who would be in the know came out strongly against this rumor. They were not mincing words, and were quite emphatic that if there was a 100 seat jet delta pilots would be flying in.

Of course world events not yet know come in to play with everything, but this rumor is not gaining any feet.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

The third floor was NWA's Fourth floor. FWIW.....

FWIW, had a friend tell me that a few company pilots who would be in the know came out strongly against this rumor. They were not mincing words, and were quite emphatic that if there was a 100 seat jet delta pilots would be flying in.

Of course world events not yet know come in to play with everything, but this rumor is not gaining any feet.

Who's NWA?? (Just kidding people!!) all in fun!!

Somewhere deep in the bowels of OC1 an OC2 and Natco, a secret plot is developing where the past 60 crowd is working on a new side letter to bring back the PERP program!!!

 

[flyboyike]

Well, if it's true, I beg of you guys, please, don't agree to it. For all of our sakes. I say this even though, as a regional guy, I would probably benefit in the short term if it happened.

Don't let them do it. As someone else said, they'll take the pay back but will never give scope back.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Bill,
I know for a fact that there would be a very large percentage of pilots that would take a PERP if offered. Not sure we will see one, but there are many begging......

Honestly, I see the 50 seat market dwindiling as much as it possibly can. The 76 seat jet is a decent product but the trend here is to get out of the small jet business. There is a place for them, but they will become a smaller and smaller amount of our domestic feed. (Not my words btw) I say give it three years and there will be a sizable difference to the way DCI looks.

As has been proved recently the only way to control the quality of your product is to keep it in house.

 

[johnsonrod]

Don't let Lee CHOKE anywhere near that negotiating table... Once you give up scope you can NEVER get it back...