Daily contract rate for new G-IV SIC?

[Diesel]

9 bucks is a little much an hour for a regional guy isn't it?

Maybe after year 15

 

[msw]

Looks like a hit and run post. Oh well I was interested how someone could get 10000 hrs and no jet time, yet think they were going to jump into a gulfstream and fly around the world.

If you guys read my original post, I never said I thought I was going to jump in a Gulfstream and fly around the world. I only asked what would be a reasonable rate for a SIC with my background and experience (and no jet time) ......... if anyone would hire me as a SIC in a G-IV. And one of the reasons that I asked, is that if someone does want to hire me as an occasional G-IV SIC, I want to charge a rate that is both reasonable (for my background and experience) but also does not undercut other contract G-IV pilots. Why does that seem to be an alien concept to some of you?

So, again, thanks to those that actually answered the question. And, since some of you girls seem so concerned/curious about: I did not buy the Type, it didn't cost me anything ...... it was really just a case of good luck, being in the right place at the right time.

 

[blzr]

Its cool you have alot of experience in the aviation industry to bring to the table, but it really isn't going to catapult you to the top of the heap of the Gulfstream world. That, coupled with zero jet time.......you are a true SIC for the GIV. Like I said before, I hope you can get the top pay for SIC right out of the gate with zero time on type, zero jet time on anything, and zero Part 91 turbo-jet experience. BUT.....if you are offered less, you might want to take it and not worry about pissing other pilots off, or you might be sitting on your couch with a type-rating in your hand and a remote control in the other.

I know alot of people flying all the different Gulfstreams, the experienced GIV guys do get the $600-$700 per day as SIC, you might just be offered $300-$400 with zero time/experience on the GIV. The GIV has been tough to jump into for contract guys lately, now that all the new Gulfstreams have been coming out over the last few years. At least around here.

So to answer your question: Do what I did when I did my first Gulfstream flight as an un-typed SIC for a Part 91 operator years ago. I said the owner who asked me if I could do some flights with his captain, "how much will you charge me per day?" I said "the going rate is between $500-$600/day. Seeing as I have thousands of hours of jet PIC but no Gulfstream time, I'll take the lower rate of $500/day for now." I did that for about 10 flights, then it was $600 from there.

Just a Question....

you have a GIV type and you are trying to be an SIC....ok... What "real" sic, CRM aircraft have you flown? My curiosity lies, not in your experience, just why you chose the G-IV instead of say a Citation or CJ..?

 

[blzr]

9 bucks is a little much an hour for a regional guy isn't it?

Maybe after year 15

DOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHH

 

[Diesel]

Pahlease 9 bucks is about right. Accept it.

I'm still curious what aircraft you have 10000hrs in. If its in a Cub the price is way different than lets say a Dash 8.

You can actually answer that question and then better help you.

 

[msw]

Just a Question.... why you chose the G-IV instead of say a Citation or CJ..?

I was able to get the G-IV Type basically because I was in the right place at the right time, and it was offerred to to me and I took it; I didn't have to "buy it". So I really didn't choose it; it sort of chose me. If I could have gotten a Citation Type or any other Type under the same (no cost) circumstances, I would have taken that. For those of you that seem so curious as to how I got 10,000 hrs without any jet time - not sure why that is important to the question I posed in the first place, as to G-IV SIC pay rates - there's not any great mystery to it: I've been flying for 30+ years, been a CFII for almost as long, and the other flight time that I have besides the 3500 MEL I previously mentioned is scatterred amongst SEL, SES (J-3 Cub on floats, very fun), helicopters (mostly turbine), and gliders.

 

[AA717driver]

TC?

He didn't make it. We chewed him up, spit him out, and sent him packing back to the regional airlines where he makes $9 an hour...

This is the price I pay for not having a laptop on the road.

Apparently, the children broke into the liquor cabinet again...

Sincerely,

Just another airline pilot with a Gulfstream rating.

 

[Diesel]

not sure why that is important to the question I posed in the first place, as to G-IV SIC pay rates - there's not any great mystery to it: I've been flying for 30+ years, been a CFII for almost as long, and the other flight time that I have besides the 3500 MEL I previously mentioned is scatterred amongst SEL, SES (J-3 Cub on floats, very fun), helicopters (mostly turbine), and gliders.

Your question was about daily rate. But you could have a couple of thousand hours in a 150 and your daily rate would be a lot different than multi crew, jet, international experience.

Sounds to me that your total time is minimal in the crew environment and by your evasiveness to break it down means you're looking at the bottom end of a daily rate/ undercutting someone with valuable cockpit time to offer.

 

[AA717driver]

Your question was about daily rate. But you could have a couple of thousand hours in a 150 and your daily rate would be a lot different than multi crew, jet, international experience.

Sounds to me that your total time is minimal in the crew environment and by your evasiveness to break it down means you're looking at the bottom end of a daily rate/ undercutting someone with valuable cockpit time to offer.

Didn't we already TRY to tell him that? TC

P.S.--Tell Wolfie I said hi!

 

[XTW]

Who wants to go golfing? I've got a tee time. Now where's that 'ole ball wash?


X

 

[ruhroa]

msw ..i just got to add my 2 cents...... there is an old story..it goes something like "there i was no chit dark, stormy night,imc, pax yelling in the back ....my copilot was so new I was actually ifr with a distraction.
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we use contract guys once in a while but i got to be honest i don't think you would be on the list. it is not a matter so much of wiggling the sticks it is knowing the corp/charter world ...how to interact with clients,fbo, arinc and a million other things without the cpt. having to hold your hand through it. we pay a thousand a day. in the ne. i sympathise(sp) with you as i had for many yrs the helicopter experience chip on my shoulder (all turbine couple thousand hrs). The truth is its the experiences of what can go wrong outside the a/c as much as the inside. i want a cp with me that can help not hinder when things like the f/a comes forward and tells you the boss is livid because the toilet smells while you are dealing with ny center on a winter friday night going to pbi.
i think a big negative that you need to overcome is enviormental more than technical. i would go looking for the whale chit dwellers to work full time for to get some experience. its tough with a giv though cause there are not a lot of those sbags flying them. good luck

 

[momalley81]

I was able to get the G-IV Type basically because I was in the right place at the right time, and it was offerred to to me and I took it; I didn't have to "buy it". So I really didn't choose it; it sort of chose me. If I could have gotten a Citation Type or any other Type under the same (no cost) circumstances, I would have taken that. For those of you that seem so curious as to how I got 10,000 hrs without any jet time - not sure why that is important to the question I posed in the first place, as to G-IV SIC pay rates - there's not any great mystery to it: I've been flying for 30+ years, been a CFII for almost as long, and the other flight time that I have besides the 3500 MEL I previously mentioned is scatterred amongst SEL, SES (J-3 Cub on floats, very fun), helicopters (mostly turbine), and gliders.

Sorry bub, you may be a great stick, but these guys are trying to help. If this statement is accurate, its truly a case of you don't know what you don't know.

If you don't get why your background would be important on a intercontinental jet, then you have no business being there. If your 3500 hours of ME time has been flying around in a P3, C130, or even a King Air 350, it would be a different story than if it was giving instruction in a Dutchess and a 310. Not saying thats not valuable experience, but it really has no bearing on weather or not you'd be a valuable crew member, or a student in the cockpit of a jet.

Tell me, how many crossings do you have? Have you ever operated in RVSM airspace? Have you had any international procedures training? Are there going to be any issues leaving TEB at 1600 on a Friday afternoon? What is SWAP? What about 0800 on Saturday morning? Have you operated out of the mountain airports we go to on a regular basis? TEX? EGL? ASE?

There's more to it than closing the door and flying the plane. Thats the easy part.

 

[AA717driver]

Who wants to go golfing? I've got a tee time. Now where's that 'ole ball wash?


X

If I had a ball washer like that one, I wouldn't NEED to play golf...

TC

 

[Diesel]

I previously mentioned is scatterred amongst SEL, SES (J-3 Cub on floats, very fun), helicopters (mostly turbine), and gliders.

Yeah if thats the bulk of your time its pretty much worthless. Unless the CP is big into floats or wants to get his float plane rating "very fun" doesn't help in todays CRM environment.

 

[momalley81]

Hey, the glider time might help him get a contract gig in a Beechjet!