Da Tranny to STL!

[Juan Tugo]

You heard it here first...

 

[Bavarian Chef]

And another potential JB market disappears...

Beat to the punch by luv in IAD and now by citrus in stl. But boy are we gonna knock 'em dead in White Plains. Now if I could only find that on a map...

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Yawn.

I'll notify all of the halfway houses and homeless shelters that you'll be flying some new residents into town.

 

[cl65capt]

You heard it here first...

Where did you hear this?

 

[EagleRJ]

Someone saw a transvestite going to Saint Louis?

But boy are we gonna knock 'em dead in White Plains.

The only thing you're going to knock dead is your scheduling integrity. That place is a freaking disaster.

 

[Shrek]

THE most dangerous city in the country.

 

[Lear70]

County Unicom... what a joke.

Can someone say "mafia-run"? I knew you could...

Go towards JFK and about 50 miles south, take a 20 deg right turn and fly directly over Farmington, Long Island, then turn due north and descend like a bat out of hell to about 3,000 feet over the water.

Watch out for all the GA airplanes 500 feet below you that have a bad tendency to climb into class B airspace which starts at 2,600 feet out there.

Get about 5 miles south of the CT shoreline and take a 90 deg left turn. Look for the larger peninsula and river that goes north (by the way, they run the Sound Visual at 3000 and 5 mins and you'll be lucky if the visibility really IS 5 miles).

Take a hard right and join the localizer right at the marker.

BTW, this is a visual approach.

Welcome to HPN. Watch out for the runway slope. It slopes down at a 2-3 deg angle until the 2500 foot marker, then transitions quickly into an upslope of 2-3 degrees. Makes it a b*tch to get a greaser out of it on 6,500 feet of sloping runway.

Have fun.

 

[STL717]

St. Louis
Good for a cruise and dinner


Close to
Fast Eddie’s Bon Air
http://www.fasteddiesbonair.com/index.cfm

And

Augusta Mo vineyards
http://www.augusta-missouri.com/wineries_brewery.htm

And the bars in Defiance, Mo fill up with Harley’s on the weekends.

 

[gt1900]

Common Lear.. Quit being such a Salley... Put that airport up to 9300 ft, make it about 6900 ft long with a 64 fit dip in the middle, call it Telluride, and then come talk to me..... HPN is an easy airport to grease... You just gotta know how to land in the downsloping first 2500 ft... Hell, that airport even makes a bad pilot look good...Its a downsloping touchdown zone... What more could you ask for??? Btw.. The loads out of HNP are always good.. And when it comes to AAI being around for 30 years, it really doesn't matter what the pilots like.. Its about who's buying tickets. And the people around HPN seem to like AAI tickets....

 

[Snapshot]

Someone saw a transvestite going to Saint Louis?

Yeah, his name is Hulas Kanodia.

 

[bestpilot]

A-TEEEEE-ELLLL to da ESSSSS-TEEEEEE-ELLLLLLLLL

AWWWWW YEEAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Da Tranny in da Howwse!!!!

 

[Lear70]

Common Lear.. Quit being such a Salley... Put that airport up to 9300 ft, make it about 6900 ft long with a 64 fit dip in the middle, call it Telluride, and then come talk to me..... HPN is an easy airport to grease... You just gotta know how to land in the downsloping first 2500 ft... Hell, that airport even makes a bad pilot look good...Its a downsloping touchdown zone... What more could you ask for??? Btw.. The loads out of HNP are always good.. And when it comes to AAI being around for 30 years, it really doesn't matter what the pilots like.. Its about who's buying tickets. And the people around HPN seem to like AAI tickets....

Hah! Cute.

Wrong guy; I used to fly for Flexjet in and out of Telluride, Aspen, and Rifle almost every week, as well as TEB and White Plains.

Big difference in putting a small aircraft (like a 1900 or a Lear) into one of those airports and making an Airbus or Boeing drop in on a dime.

It's even worse if the airplane's light, it floats like the CRJ did... Not to mention the B717 flight director puts you over the runway threshold at about 150 feet instead of 50 if you're following G/S guidance on the FD.

Which means you're just about to touch down and the runway starts sloping up at the 2500' marker... BAM!

Of course, I've never done that. LOL

Took me a few months to figure out how to manage the energy on the 717, and getting it right means fighting half the automation on the airplane on every short runway, it's obnoxious.

Or you can slam down at the 3,000 foot marker and then bake the brakes.

 

[BoilerUP]

HPN sucks.

I love being the first to call for taxi then being told to pull into the runup pad on a clear day with no flow control to PHL or CLT so a couple Gulfstreams, a King Air, and a whole gaggle of Netjets airplanes can depart before us.

RJs don't even get priority over Cessnas and Cirruses there...

 

[TV9Driver]

it's in this morning's St. Louis Post Dispatch.... 4 flights a day to ATL starting May 8th.... thank God, this commute has been horrible. Plus, we need more options here in STL since AA cut and ran and turned this into another ghost town (looks like PIT now)

I wonder who will be our local spokesman Nelly, Chingy. Probably Mark Bulger since they always go for the quarterbacks....

 

[Steeler Fan]

we need more options here in STL since AA cut and ran and turned this into another ghost town (looks like PIT now)

Hopefully, it'll be a good fit for AirTran and St Louis, and yes PIT and STL have that ghost town feel, which is really depressing

I wonder who will be our local spokesman Nelly, Chingy. Probably Mark Bulger since they always go for the quarterbacks....

Mark Bulger went to High School in Pittsburgh, not TJ or USC (which is good). He'd make a pretty good spokesman, although I really wouldn't say he's all that outspoken.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Interesting

I noticed San Diego announcement on another thread. I believe Midwest has gate(s) in San Diego. Do they also have gates in St Louis?

 

[FlyAirtran]

Nope. Midwest does not fly to STL.

 

[Steeler Fan]

Nope. Midwest does not fly to STL.

Midwest Connect flies STL-MKE, but you're right about Midwest airlines itself.

 

[-9Capt]

fly directly over Farmington, Long Island,

That's Farmingdale, Long Island. I grew up around there.

Farmington is in New Mexico.

 

[-9Capt]

TRANSPORTATION: St. Louis, San Diego in AirTran's plans

AirTran Airways plans to add new nonstop daily flights from Atlanta to St. Louis and San Diego in time for the summer travel season. The two cities are the largest destinations from Atlanta in terms of traffic or revenue that AirTran doesn't currently serve. St. Louis is the largest such market in terms of average passenger volumes, with an average of 310 passengers per day over the past year. Flights begin May 8, according to AirTran, the second-largest carrier at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. AirTran will begin seasonal service to San Diego on May 24. AirTran said the Southern California city is the largest market in terms of revenue that it doesn't fly to, with average one-way fares of $222 over the past year.

 

[Lear70]

That's Farmingdale, Long Island. I grew up around there.

Farmington is in New Mexico.

*snicker* that's what happens when I get to typing too fast.

Funny thing is, I was based there flying Lears for a year back in 2000, I should know better.

 

[waveoff]

HPN sucks.

I love being the first to call for taxi then being told to pull into the runup pad on a clear day with no flow control to PHL or CLT so a couple Gulfstreams, a King Air, and a whole gaggle of Netjets airplanes can depart before us.

RJs don't even get priority over Cessnas and Cirruses there...

You're right, HPN does suck...

But what makes you think you should depart before everyone else in your mighty CRJ? Just because you're the first to call for taxi doesn't mean crap. There are other variables at play which determine who gets to go first.

 

[Lear70]

You're right, HPN does suck...

But what makes you think you should depart before everyone else in your mighty CRJ? Just because you're the first to call for taxi doesn't mean crap. There are other variables at play which determine who gets to go first.

It took you 2 months to come up with that?

What makes you think you should depart before everyone else in your mighty Citation?

might King Air?

mighty Cirrus?

The point he was making was that if two comparable aircraft in terms of speed and destination are leaving at the same time, they show preference to the corporate aircraft, regardless of who called first.

It SHOULD be first called, first served, if speed, climb capability, and destination region (departure vector) are the same.

 

[Hovernut]

I see Citrus is going Orlando-San Diego non-stop, too. When in STL, try to get some Ted Drewes frozen custard in the city. Best you'll ever have!

Having grown up in STL, it sure is eerie to go into Lambert and see all those empty gates on C and D concourses. What a wast it was to build the new runway!

 

[BoilerUP]

There are other variables at play which determine who gets to go first.

Yes, like favoritism for the locals over the airlines that operate in there.

In the situation I described (that happened to me), airplanes were departing over the same departure fix on a clear day with no flow at ZNY or into CLT. We got to sit in the block of 34 and watch a bunch of airplanes that called for taxi after us depart before us from the Netjets hangar, Avitat, and Landmark.

Given that situation, and comparable aircraft performance, why shouldn't the aircraft that calls ready first depart first?

 

[Phaedrus]

Because everyone is equal....but some are more equal than others

 

[F9 Driver]

THE most dangerous city in the country.

Is Camden,NJ.

 

[ERJpusher]

The biggest problem STL has attracting a new carrier is that there is very little originating traffic in STL. A very high percentage of the passengers are only connecting. If AA was not mini-hubbing STL, there wouldn't be enough to support their operation. I'm assuming this is why JB didn't jump on it, and Southwest rejected a proposal for expansion.

 

[Allen1]

Yes, like favoritism for the locals over the airlines that operate in there.

In the situation I described (that happened to me), airplanes were departing over the same departure fix on a clear day with no flow at ZNY or into CLT. We got to sit in the block of 34 and watch a bunch of airplanes that called for taxi after us depart before us from the Netjets hangar, Avitat, and Landmark.

Given that situation, and comparable aircraft performance, why shouldn't the aircraft that calls ready first depart first?

Godforbid that us Netjets guys takeoff before the airlines in our little cessnas. We should all just bow down to you big airline guys and move out of the way so the real pilots can takeoff.

 

[BoilerUP]

That's not what I said at all, Allen1.

I said when airplanes are departing over the same fix, to destinations without any delay programs, what good reason is there that I call ready first, get to the runway first, and then have to wait for multiple (local) aircraft that call ready after me to depart? There is no good reason for that, other than simple favoritism.

You folks should really be smart enough to realize I'm not some airline RJ pilot claiming superiority over corp/135/GA...I'm simply saying that all things being equal, departures should be first come, first serve and that is not the case at HPN.