GCD said:I happen to have the experience in evaluating the early ERJ models, having already flown the CRJ prior to the evalutaion.
We found that the early ERJ didn't have any space for the pilots' flight bags. A problem I hear is now fixed.
We didn't like the tube effect of the passenger cabin.
We suspected problems with the engine control systems, and there were problems with early models.
We didn't like the motorcycle handle bar yokes.
We had some folks go to the factory (I wasn't with them) and tour the facility. Very scary stories came back.
I have factory training in the CRJ, and have frequented the factory floor in the past. I know how that airplane is built and feel very confident in the CRJ.
It's not a perfect airplane. There are a few things I would change on it, but overall, I prefer the CRJ.
I have flown both.
Typed in one (E145) and not in the other (CL-65).
From my perspective, each has their own good and bad points, yet the comment was made, whichever you get paid to fly (I AGREE!)
I actually find that the CRJ seems to be much less a solid plane than it looks. The airplane is simply a stretch challenger, wherein the ERJ was bulit for the purpose it serves...even if it is off the original plans of the E120, it was built from scratch as an airliner. This is why the CRJ has had FAA bulletins on its wing spars.
The CRJs cockpit is wider, when you remove the center console. Otherwise, the ERJ has more actual "room" to sit in if you will.
CRJ is amazingly lacking in automation. No FADECS, introduction of fuel, dealing with anti-ice and other little crap that you don't really notice until you don't have to do anything anymore.
To start the engines on the ERJ, you turn one knob...and 30-40 seconds later you are up and going...without doing another thing.
The ERJs cockpit is "cleaner" and not so antiquated looking as the CRJS.
The CRJs cabin is all of ONE inch taller than the ERJ - HARDLY room for people to stand up tall (CRJ = 6'1") (ERJ = 6'0").
Those airstairs....HAVE GOT TO GO. Talk about living in the "commuter world"...having pax walk across a ramp to an airplane in this day and age is ridiculous.
The CRJs bathroom - HOLY SHIIT - or not, because you can't get your pants down if you go in there. ERJs is bigger than the DC10's - and yes sex is comfortable in it
The length of the ERJ allows for a "nose up" attitude on approach vs. the Cessna 172 nose down until the last minute flare in the CRJ.
Ask anyone who rode in the back and the windows are horrible, and the EXPLOSION of the landing gear on the CRJ is rather disturbing in the back.
Now that they are installing bullet proof doors on the CRJ, it is my understanding the "closet" that the CRJ had is now gone to crew bag storage...so yes kids, B1900 days and stow those bags in the back with the cattles.....inexcusable.
The CRJ does cruise faster, but don't we get paid by the hour??? I have never understood why anyone wants to go faster in the airline business anyway. CRJ is certified at Mach .81=464knts vs. ERJs XR .80=460kts or LR .78=450kts BFD.
The wings are WAY too low on those CRJs = I stopped looking "down" at my wings when i stopped flying Pipers.
According to "customer service studies" by AMR when they were evaluating the two airplanes, pax preferred the 2 to 1 seating of the ERJ than the 2 to 2 seating of the CRJ. In observation of our pax, most prefer and request the A isle seating if there is going to be a full flight, so they might have an isle and window seat in one. It is very very popular.
Both aircraft have no overheads to speak of and neither can really accomodate a rollerboard. This is why both aircraft provide for gate checked bags.
The CRJ has hydrolically actuated ailerons and elevator vs. ERJs just having the ailerons as such.
I like the CRJs TR's better, but overall, my choice is very much with the ERJ, expecially the XR, which is powered properly, and looks fukkin great with those winglets.