CRJ 700 or G-IV?

[BoilerUP]

I agree with chpr. Any company flying a Gulfstream (or any bizjet for that matter) that is either unwilling or unable to pay to send their FOs to school on the airplane is a JOKE. Starting FO pay 39K with top of the scale 50K? Not to mention $14,000 upfront for Gulfstream school? Discount or not that seems really, really cheap...no way that is for a type.

It sounds like it could be a good opportunity to gain ever-precious Gulfstream experience, provided you get a firm, legal contract that guarantees repayment on schedule and full immediate repayment in case of termination.

Remember you're only worth what you negotiate...good luck with your decision!

 

[mamba20]

Honestly after hearing that I'd stay with the 121 gig. This sounds somewhat shady.

 

[da90drivr]

39k and pay for your own type? Sounds like a wonderful operation.

 

[fuelflow]

If your ultimate goal is to reach a major (I think you mentioned FedEx), you'll accumulate flight time and upgrade quicker with your "regional" job. The faster you build PIC in large equipment the better you will look on paper. Plus I would be skeptical of any outfit that makes you front your training costs (I can almost understand a training contract) and only pays $50 a day per diem for international flying. That kind of equipment and flying usually dictates each crewmember be issued a corporate credit card for expenses. I would also be weary of a 2 year upgrade promise at your experience level.

On the other hand, flying corporate is a relatively comfortable way to build time and experience without the painful experience of being a probationary pilot on an RJ. Good luck with your choice.

 

[semperfido]

only a bottom feeder gulfstream operator would have you pay for training.

 

[sluminginpit]

Don't take the G4 job. It's jobs like this that lower the bar in the indusrty. Hiring low timers and requiring them to pay for training is BS.

 

[CarjCapt]

Thats my only hesitation.... its 2 weeks on and 1 week off ( your not flying everyday on those 2 weeks) This company gets a discount at Simuflite for 14k. You pay for your own training and they pay you back over 24 months (written agreement). The start pay is 39k/yr and per diem is 50 bucks/day. 6k increase in pay every 6 months until it caps out at around 50k+ for FO. Upgrade in 2 yr for my experience level, but awesome international experience. Would FedEx still look at my time in the G-IV or are they lookin for min. weight. aircraft. Captains make over 100k after a couple of years or so.

This all depends on your age and family situation. I just turned down a simular position because of the domicile(s) choice and the fact of those two weeks in a GIV I'd be out of town and out of the country.

If you are young with no family do it. If you have a family the regional position will have you home to watch your family grow up.

PM me if you want more info

 

[Rook]

Yeah I wouldn't go if I had to pay for the type. It isn't SWA and you don't know how stable (LOL) the industry is. I agree the GIV is a great jet but later on you'll learn that QOL is much more important. If the GIV gig gets you the opportunity to log PIC quicker than by all means give it a shot. Good luck with your decision.

 

[fly4'em]

Thats my only hesitation.... its 2 weeks on and 1 week off ( your not flying everyday on those 2 weeks) This company gets a discount at Simuflite for 14k. You pay for your own training and they pay you back over 24 months (written agreement). The start pay is 39k/yr and per diem is 50 bucks/day. 6k increase in pay every 6 months until it caps out at around 50k+ for FO. Upgrade in 2 yr for my experience level, but awesome international experience. Would FedEx still look at my time in the G-IV or are they lookin for min. weight. aircraft. Captains make over 100k after a couple of years or so.

You pay 14K for your training, now you are minus 14K. Then they pay you 39K for the first year, now you are plus 32K, that is roughfly $2700 a month. Is that something you can afford? Also consider that you are on call 24/7 when flying 135. Intl experience is very important also. You say that they give you a written agreement? make sure to get that agreement before you pay yhe 14K for the sim training. Where are you going to be based? Are you planning to commute every time you have a week on? those are things to consider also. Do they have good benefits (401K, medical)? if i think of anything else i'll post it here.
Good luck

 

[banned username 2]

You pay 14K for your training, now you are minus 14K. Then they pay you 39K for the first year, now you are plus 32K

Where did you go to school? $39,000 - $14,000 = $25,000, where did the $32k come from?

 

[fly4'em]

He said that they pay back for the 14K in 24 months, that is 7K every year, where did you go to school???

 

[semperfido]

i might agree to let them pay the 14k and then pay them back if i were to leave for another job within the two years. i might do that- if i was desperate. they have obviously had some trouble keeping people in the past, which speaks to the quality of the operation. just stay on the path you are on -p121. bottom feeder operations are a dime a dozen. if you were talking about a really good p91 operation, then my opinion might be different.

 

[FLOPSouth]

Is this what you are saying?!?

Start $14000 in the hole. First year $39000.
$39000-14000=$25000 + $7000 (half of training) + $12000 (That's 2 6mo bonuses)

= $ 44,000, then in 6 mo, total 1.5 yrs, you'd cap out at $50,000
.
TAKE THE JOB

4th yr pay at ASA on a CR7 might clear you $40000.
Southside

 

[fuelflow]

Is this what you are saying?!?

Start $14000 in the hole. First year $39000.
$39000-14000=$25000 + $7000 (half of training) + $12000 (That's 2 6mo bonuses)

= $ 44,000, then in 6 mo, total 1.5 yrs, you'd cap out at $50,000
.
TAKE THE JOB

4th yr pay at ASA on a CR7 might clear you $40000.
Southside

Those are $6k raises, not bonuses. Sounds like $35k after the first year, though your pay rate will be $51,000.

up front = -$14,000
1st 6m = +$19,500
2nd 6m = +$22,500
1 yr = +$7,000

I'm here for math tutoring if anyone needs it.

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

What happens to your 14K if they no longer need you between now and 24 months??

Any company that makes you pay for your own training is a sh!tty ass company!!

Still a $hitload better than going to Colgan or Allegiant though.

 

[chperplt]

Still a $hitload better than going to Colgan or Allegiant though

If you don't like Allegiant, why do you keep PMing me asking for a recommendation??

Anyone know if you can block PMs???

 

[AlabamaMan!!]

Because I want dont want people to know that I really want to work for a bottom of the barrel operation making a third of what I make now. Please dont let anyone know. I just want to fly a big jet and tell people I'm a real pilot now, and look down on those little kids flying barbie jets and puddle-jumpers and tell them how bad they suck cause they arent an SIC in a "Thooper 80".

-Its people like you that are bringing this industry down working for such low pay with "shiny jet" syndrome. (Often posted by chperplt)

Well, flying a MD80 for less than 39K a year is what I would consider the same as a 20 year old flying an RJ for 18K a year. So it appears as if you are not only a hypocrite, but also really do have a small d!ck as well. (as your wife has confirmed with me on our midnight rondezvous')

 

[bearcat]

That is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford.... I would go with the G-IV. You will really love the airplane. Being above the airlines is a great way to fly!!!

It is also cool being below the airlines! (A-10)

 

[banned username 2]

He said that they pay back for the 14K in 24 months, that is 7K every year, where did you go to school???

I didn't, I'm a Kindergarden drop-out...

 

[chperplt]

-Its people like you that are bringing this industry down working for such low pay with "shiny jet" syndrome. (Often posted by chperplt

Whatever dude.