CRJ-1000 for Skywest??

[MELIT]

Not throwing rocks at the hornets nest but how exactly does the override work?

You get more money.

 

[Bako Cap]

All flying in the 700-900 is overridden. Credit/block or better plus cancellation. Even if the equipment is downgraded to the 200 after the bids are posted.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

All flying in the 700-900 is overridden. Credit/block or better plus cancellation. Even if the equipment is downgraded to the 200 after the bids are posted.

Overridden by how much? On a typical bid line what does the override work out to in terms dollars per hour? Thanks.

 

[Socalplt]

5% override or 3 minutes extra per hour on block - historical or actual whichever is greater. If you only flew the 70-90 all month long, it would add around an additional 4 hours of pay. Payroll doesn't change your base rate in figuring the override it is added on in a seperate entry as additional time.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Ha! Jenny Lee just got owned.

http://www.Genital.Lee.justgotowned.com/

OMG, I just $hit myself. Best laff in weeks!
PBR

 

[tuna pimp]

That's a nice visual, but have you flown on a CRJ700 or CRJ900? The floor is lower, the windows are higher, the seats are bigger, and best of all the overhead bins are too. You CAN fit most rollerboards on no problem.

Overhead bins on the CRJ1000 will be larger than those on the 700 or 900. The cabin will be updated and refreshed. Bigger passenger windows. Larger wing. It will be a significant improvement over the CRJ200 and to a lesser extent the existing 700 and 900 as well. Not quite a mainline cabin but vastly improved over the CRJ200.

 

[ohplease!]

If we ever get 100 seaters at DL (good chance), we will take back a lot of the Montana flying from SLC I bet....

ZERO chance. None. The smallest plane mainline is going to end up with is a 737. Period. You little girls already let that horse out of the barn while money grabbing for yourselves....how has that worked out for ya' so far?

 

[tuna pimp]

ZERO chance. None. The smallest plane mainline is going to end up with is a 737. Period. You little girls already let that horse out of the barn while money grabbing for yourselves....how has that worked out for ya' so far?

Didn't Delta operate 100 seaters up until a few months ago? A fuel efficient CRJ1000, or perhaps an E190 would likely make up the pilot salary disparity with lower fuel, maintenance and landing fee charges.

 

[Tomct]

Ha! Jenny Lee just got owned.

http://www.Genital.Lee.justgotowned.com/

Dude....you have WAAAAAAYYYYYYY too much time on your hands! Very funny though....:laugh:

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You get more money.

You forgot to put "a little" in front of money, while you can bet SKYW inc gets more than "a little" from their contracts, for a plane with 40% more capacity.
Fool
PBR
PS Another round kool-aid for every one!

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Maybe with 100-seaters, DAL can start yet another successful airline-within-an-airline like Song or Express, that were each so successful. Before the "they had the highest loads" type of comments, ask yourself this: why scuttle money making businesses for those that do not? Don't kid yourself, the AWAA operations don't work...

 

[btrthn5n5]

Its not a 100% override. Its an over block override. This means that if you go over block you get paid the extra percentage on the time over block only.

Wrong... Read your pay packet. If you don't work for us and don't have one, then SHUT THE F UP!!

Oh.. I'm by no means a SkyWest Kool Aid drinker, but I did just get off a trip where my total pay was $1850 for the 4 day. Third one this month, all on top of my minimum pay. Yep... a $9700 month at a regional.

I'm not saying its right, but I'm not going to complain right now. This might be the norm for some people, but it is a first for me. I'm pretty happy... gonna go pay my bar tab now .

Let the flaming begin! Whiners unite!

 

[btrthn5n5]

Not throwing rocks at the hornets nest but how exactly does the override work?

I have just realized my last post was immature and pretty dumb. Just got back from the trip, I'm pretty stoked about it.

The override works by adding a percentage of your block time to your total credit. Forgive me but I forget the number. I think it is around 5% this year with increases every year. I think 2010 (in three years) it will be 8%.
If you fly the 70 or 90, you get paid 105% of your hourly pay for every hour you fly. For a 2nd year RJ Capt. It works out to just about $62 ish dollars an hour, compared to $58 for the 50 seater. Airlinepilotcentral has done the math for the payscales listed on their website.

I'll gladly take more money, but it all goes back to SkyWest screwing our Brasilia guys. It doesn't make me happy.

As far as CRJ 1000's. Has anybody looked at SkyWest's 100 seat pay scale? I don't think it is too bad ($94/hr year 1 Capt.). Could be better, but it definitally won't be the 70 seat block hour override pay. All my numbers aren't 100% accurate though... I just woke up and I am too lazy to go look at my company manual.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

You forgot to put "a little" in front of money, while you can bet SKYW inc gets more than "a little" from their contracts, for a plane with 40% more capacity.
Fool
PBR
PS Another round kool-aid for every one!

52% more on the 900...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I have just realized my last post was immature and pretty dumb. Just got back from the trip, I'm pretty stoked about it.

The override works by adding a percentage of your block time to your total credit. Forgive me but I forget the number. I think it is around 5% this year with increases every year. I think 2010 (in three years) it will be 8%.
If you fly the 70 or 90, you get paid 105% of your hourly pay for every hour you fly. For a 2nd year RJ Capt. It works out to just about $62 ish dollars an hour, compared to $58 for the 50 seater. Airlinepilotcentral has done the math for the payscales listed on their website.

I'll gladly take more money, but it all goes back to SkyWest screwing our Brasilia guys. It doesn't make me happy.

As far as CRJ 1000's. Has anybody looked at SkyWest's 100 seat pay scale? I don't think it is too bad ($94/hr year 1 Capt.). Could be better, but it definitally won't be the 70 seat block hour override pay. All my numbers aren't 100% accurate though... I just woke up and I am too lazy to go look at my company manual.

Don't forget about all the RJ guys getting screwed when the 700 and or 900's overnight in our domicile, but we aren't allowed to bid them.

 

[737 Pylt]

ZERO chance. None.

About the same chance of you ever getting hired out of ASA, huh AG??

The smallest plane mainline is going to end up with is a 737. Period.

You know that for sure?? Being under Brian's desk qualify you for that information?? I bet they tell you a lot in management school while you polish up your knee pads!

You little girls already let that horse out of the barn while money grabbing for yourselves....how has that worked out for ya' so far?

Well, lets see, we're flying for DL, and YOU'RE still at ASA, probably forever!!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
If nothing else AG, you're as predictive as stupid, jackass!

737

 

[General Lee]

Ahh, The General.... Enduring proof that Delta's psych eval needs a bit of tweaking. Tell me, General, does it make you feel better about yourself to spit on the little guy, or do you just feel the need to piss on everyone other than Delta. Believe me, as an ASA guy, I really have no particular respect for the way Skywest does business. However, I'll stand with any Skywest guy any day against your pompous, self-important, lunatic ravings. Most of us grew out of our bully stage somewhere in high school and then grew up to regret the way we used to belittle other people. You, on the other hand, still seem to have the mentality of a pimple-faced 16 year old boy looking for someone just a little more awkward than himself to pick on in the hope that the cool kid may, just may, throw him a bone. You really are a pathetic excuse for a human being. Honestly, man, you need to give that self-proclaimed "hot wife" of yours some BJ lessons because you, my man, are one uptight ass.

Man alive, you are hillarious. There is nothing you guys can say that can touch me. Pathetic excuse for a human being? Wow, that really made me sad. And, I love your last sentence. Hillarious. Really, it made me laugh. Thanks for that. Gotta go to the Carribbean tomorrow. See ya.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Not that I need to defend Skywest, but I just feel the need to call out a hypocrite. I recall a few months back when jinny lee voted in his pay cut, but defended it by saying that he would be making more because he would be able to upgrade.

Nice!

What a dork!

Is it about growth or isn't it jinny.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other, but you are a hypocrite.

What you are not understanding is that we were 2 weeks from NOT paying our payroll. We were in a corner, and only the people in the dark voted NO on the agreement. We did allow some larger RJs, but we are getting rid of many 50 seaters, including a deal coming up that will make all mainliners cheer. But, you haven't even heard about the new orders we have coming, or the 500 guys that will be hired here this year. I can almost hold 737-800 captain, and I will bid that after I get a little bit of INTL experience so I can have some when I go to the 787 left seat. (yeah, you will hear about that order soon too) Oh, and here is an article about how we are doing now:


Delta Returns to Trading
With Strong Balance Sheet

By THOMAS G. DONLAN
May 13, 2007

Pilots often say that any landing you walk away from is a good landing. By that standard, Delta Air Lines made a good landing into bankruptcy in 2005, for the company walked away from the wreckage and spread its wings for a new take-off this month.
Not so the old shareholders, who were wiped out. The 400 million new shares that opened for trading on the New York Stock Exchange May 3 were issued to former Delta unsecured creditors, employees, managers and the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.
Trading under the old ticker symbol, DAL, the shares finished last week at about $19. Over the next two quarters, however, the company should do well enough to justify a price closer to $25. Looking further ahead, two Morgan Stanley analysts may well be right when they say "buy on material weakness," and project a share price of $27 to $29.
Delta shed about $13 billion of debt and lease obligations, 6,000 people and 82 planes during its bankruptcy-law proceedings. It now has one of the stronger balance sheets in the industry. And it is looking to grow primarily on international routes, which can be more profitable than domestic business. Moreover, there's a general uptrend in the airline industry and summer is always its best period.
But Delta and all airlines are risky investments, highly vulnerable to slumps, terrorism, fuel-price increases and overcapacity. They face intense competition on key routes. They do well in good times and atrociously in bad times.
Delta's operating losses hit $3.3 billion in 2004 and $2 billion in 2005, before an operating profit of $58 million in 2006. For 2007, Delta projects a pretax profit of about $800 million -- about $2 a new share, meaning the shares are trading for about 10 times 2007 earnings.
Thomas G. Donlan is a staff writer at Barron's magazine, available online at www.barrons.com.



Tootles, and have fun in Bakersfield.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Just like you pounded Air Tran? It was all of your yes votes on TA's giving up scope that allowed this to happen. (Those TA's also screwed your Furloughs longer, but that is another matter..)

Did you know our bottom furlough got over $100,000 in the equity claim sale, and will get some more from the pension drop? He also had free Cobra for years and saw 2300 Captains leave for their own pension reasons, getting him back sooner than he probably would have without that happening. And, the BK did one thing that did hurt Airtran, and that is the new terminal in ATL was never built for them because there was a chance we weren't going to make it out of BK. Well guess what? We have come out a lot stronger (look at article in post above) and they still don't have enough gates to get a lot bigger in ATL. It is just the truth. Now they are looking for other places to put all of the planes they will be getting, resulting in the attempt to buy Midwest. What will they do if they can't close that deal? Where will they put all of those planes? They had 80 737-700s coming in 5 years. ATL is full now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

After BILLIONS in losses, THOUSANDS of layoffs and severe cuts in SALARIES and BENEFITS. Delta JUST came out of bankruptcy... don't get cocky yet!

Read the above article. I think we went through a lot of pain and now we are a lot stronger. And, most of us pilots got huge checks and our 401Ks have been filled for last year and this year, along with another check coming soon for our pension drop. Even the retired guys got a claim in BK, and will get some money back that they had thought they lost forever. Nope. Also, all of the pilots that wanted to come back are back, and we are hiring, maybe up to 500 this year.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ZERO chance. None. The smallest plane mainline is going to end up with is a 737. Period. You little girls already let that horse out of the barn while money grabbing for yourselves....how has that worked out for ya' so far?

Really? Not likely. Whitehurst, our COO, loves the EMB-190/195, and they have also been talking to another manufacturer about their 100 seater. Apparently according to our VP of Flight OPs Steve Dickson, we have several things on our plate now including: 1. Getting a new CEO 2. Building up JFK 3. Getting a 100 seater 4. Building up LAX.

I heard that from him directly. So, I think you are wrong. Hey, I love those CR9s you fly here in ATL. Right?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Maybe with 100-seaters, DAL can start yet another successful airline-within-an-airline like Song or Express, that were each so successful. Before the "they had the highest loads" type of comments, ask yourself this: why scuttle money making businesses for those that do not? Don't kid yourself, the AWAA operations don't work...

No, we will likely put those 100 seaters to use back in SLC, and take back a lot of the Montana flying from YOU GUYS. And, I can't wait to see Expressjet in SLC when I fly in there. Maybe I will ride one of their E145XRs to FCA too. (they will have 3 daily flights from SLC in July) Good times.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

General: What is the deal that will make the mainline'ers cheer?

I'm hearing weird rumors from the ASA soon to be Delta managers that ASA will go back to Delta and then dump the 50's for something else. Parts of the deal don't make sense, so I will not repeat them futher. But it appears ASA might be in for some changes, maybe some good changes, but not sure if the pilots are included.

There is more talk of the ASA name going away and ASA being a conduit to big D.

 

[Tarzan]

General: What is the deal that will make the mainline'ers cheer?

I'm hearing weird rumors from the ASA soon to be Delta managers that ASA will go back to Delta and then dump the 50's for something else. Parts of the deal don't make sense, so I will not repeat them futher. But it appears ASA might be in for some changes, maybe some good changes, but not sure if the pilots are included.

There is more talk of the ASA name going away and ASA being a conduit to big D.

I wonder as well Fins. There have been some good rumors that do make some sense in how things have progressed or have been perceived. I've talked with too many Delta guys that state the company is not getting out the small lift business. However, if the writing we all see on the wall about a pilot shortage is the same writing Big D guys see, a likely source of pilots would be a feeder company. I doubt they are worrying about that just yet though. If that is the case however, it blows the rationale for parting out Comair.

 

[CFIT]

You know that for sure?? Being under Brian's desk qualify you for that information?? I bet they tell you a lot in management school while you polish up your knee pads!


737

The ever so typical reference to gay oral sex......
Were you raped in high school?

 

[Tomct]

The ever so typical reference to gay oral sex......
Were you raped in high school?

Cclit...are you having a "FLASHBACK?":laugh:

 

[737 Pylt]

The ever so typical reference to gay oral sex......
Were you raped in high school?

Does your mom count??

airhead42,

Time to change your tampon and pop some Midol, easy there, you might get a criminal record for domestic violence against your boyfriend.

If that happens you'll never get hired at SkyWest.

The head fag speaks!

737

 

[MONKEY]

What you are not understanding is that we were 2 weeks from NOT paying our payroll. We were in a corner, and only the people in the dark voted NO on the agreement. We did allow some larger RJs, but we are getting rid of many 50 seaters, including a deal coming up that will make all mainliners cheer. But, you haven't even heard about the new orders we have coming, or the 500 guys that will be hired here this year. I can almost hold 737-800 captain, and I will bid that after I get a little bit of INTL experience so I can have some when I go to the 787 left seat. (yeah, you will hear about that order soon too) Oh, and here is an article about how we are doing now:


Delta Returns to Trading
With Strong Balance Sheet

By THOMAS G. DONLAN
May 13, 2007

Pilots often say that any landing you walk away from is a good landing. By that standard, Delta Air Lines made a good landing into bankruptcy in 2005, for the company walked away from the wreckage and spread its wings for a new take-off this month.
Not so the old shareholders, who were wiped out. The 400 million new shares that opened for trading on the New York Stock Exchange May 3 were issued to former Delta unsecured creditors, employees, managers and the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.
Trading under the old ticker symbol, DAL, the shares finished last week at about $19. Over the next two quarters, however, the company should do well enough to justify a price closer to $25. Looking further ahead, two Morgan Stanley analysts may well be right when they say "buy on material weakness," and project a share price of $27 to $29.
Delta shed about $13 billion of debt and lease obligations, 6,000 people and 82 planes during its bankruptcy-law proceedings. It now has one of the stronger balance sheets in the industry. And it is looking to grow primarily on international routes, which can be more profitable than domestic business. Moreover, there's a general uptrend in the airline industry and summer is always its best period.
But Delta and all airlines are risky investments, highly vulnerable to slumps, terrorism, fuel-price increases and overcapacity. They face intense competition on key routes. They do well in good times and atrociously in bad times.
Delta's operating losses hit $3.3 billion in 2004 and $2 billion in 2005, before an operating profit of $58 million in 2006. For 2007, Delta projects a pretax profit of about $800 million -- about $2 a new share, meaning the shares are trading for about 10 times 2007 earnings.
Thomas G. Donlan is a staff writer at Barron's magazine, available online at www.barrons.com.



Tootles, and have fun in Bakersfield.


Bye Bye--General Lee

That is exactly what I am talking about. I understand that you were in a tight spot. But the fact is you took a pay cut and allowed for bigger RJs and then justify it by saying "look at all of our new airplanes. I get to sit in the left seat of a big shiney new airplane. Look at me I am captain. I make more money now. I am soooooo cooool."

How big were the executive bonuses?

If Delta does it, it's great. If done by anyone else, they are a bunch of losers right?

 

[jstyle13]

Does your mom count??


The head fag speaks!

737

Haha this is so retarded yet amusing to watch grown men bash each other like 10th graders anonamously through a web board. 737, you seem like you've been at Delta for a while so I'm assuming you are at least 35, mabye 45, who knows?

However, CFIT, MELIT and HelloNewFag are tools....so bash away.

 

[General Lee]

That is exactly what I am talking about. I understand that you were in a tight spot. But the fact is you took a pay cut and allowed for bigger RJs and then justify it by saying "look at all of our new airplanes. I get to sit in the left seat of a big shiney new airplane. Look at me I am captain. I make more money now. I am soooooo cooool."

How big were the executive bonuses?

If Delta does it, it's great. If done by anyone else, they are a bunch of losers right?

We allowed an extra 6 seats total, for planes that could hold another 16. We added a first class cabin to planes that needed it. If our best customers HAVE TO fly on an RJ, it hopefully has larger seats and more room to work. They are limited in numbers, and tied to growth at mainline, but also are being traded one for one with 50 seaters. Your smaller RJs are going away and you are not growing in numbers, rather a few seats per airplane that are needed to sway our best customers. (it also gives me a better chance to nonrev if needed)

How were the executive bonuses you ask? Not as good compared to other companies. Our management team only got 2.6% of the new company stock (that is for the top 1200 managers, and United got 8% and NWA got 5.6%), and Grinstein gave away all of his bonus to 2 funds---the Delta employee scholorship fund and an emergency fund for employees in need. That was nice of him, right?

Overall we had a plan to get DL on the right track again, and that included a few more seats and a first class option on some RJs, and getting rid of debt while getting leaner. We did a great job getting through BK and we are stronger for it, and we will grow with more mainline planes and less RJs in the future.

Bye Bye---General Lee