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[NJA Capt]

Do your numbers include perdiem, NJA bound?

His number is correct and does not include per diem or OT. All newhires start on the "reserve" schedule which is $46,286 base. If they bid the 7/7 schedule the base pay is $39,000.

 

[LAFrequentflyer]

Thats good money for starting. On reserve - can you pick up work on your days off easily and make some more $$$?

-LA

 

[bravodude]

$39,000., I crack up everytime I read that, NetJets First Officers start at $46,286. not $39,000. I bet those shares guys will get another raise as soon as they relize NetJets pilots make more than they do.

Keep laughing since we only have 7/7 and our fo's 40,000 then it would be more wouldn't it. But thats not the point. We recived our pay increase because NJ recieved a pay increase plain nd simple. would we have recieved something....maybee but nothing close to what we got. I f everyone would just stop bickering.

 

[bravodude]

We still dont come close to NJ. Pay might be the same but we dont come close on benefits.

 

[brokeflyer]

that 46k is base salary, not including overtime, holiday pay and per-diem.

7&7 FO's start at 39k, with everything added in that actually goes to about 45K.

as a new hire now you probly wont get the 7&7 so you would work the flex at 18 days a month.
46,000 - 39,000 = about 7,000 a year more to work an extra 4 days a month.

thanks but i'm staying at netjets.

 

[FL410Femme]

Is citationshares planning on getting a union soon? There are alot of us airliner's who like the union benefits, but are becoming victims of the economy.

Thank you for your answers.

 

[flx757]

He returns. Yet again.

How do you keep thinking up the usernames? That has to be harder than coming up with the lame flamebait.

 

[FL410Femme]

Who is "he"?

This is my first post on this forum. Sorry if it offended you. I am not a union organizer. I see some fractionals have them, others are working on getting them, and still others do not have them. I thought my question was ligit. As a potential job seeker, I find the different prospectives interesting.

So go ring your bells, if you even have them.

 

[XTW]

46,000 - 39,000 = about 7,000 a year more to work an extra 4 days a month.

thanks but i'm staying at netjets.

4 days x 12 months = 48 days

7000/48 = 145 a day

Doesn't sound like much of a good deal to me. Sounds like 7/7 plus a couple OT days here and there would be better. That's just me though.


X

 

[brokeflyer]

ok, then keep working where your at.

I work half the year, year 1 fo, and I'm doing about 43,500/yr.

I'm home 7 in a row with family, I eat good and don't pay for health, vision and dental. with 2 kids that's real important.

April i goto year 2 pay.

 

[XTW]

broke,

Relax. My statement wasn't meant to start a piss*ng contest about company A vs. company B. I was merely pointing out that the "7/7 w/OT" sounds better than the "reserve 18" as far as quality of life goes.

I'm glad we are both happy where we are. As it should be.

Regards,

X

 

[Jetz]

Who

He returns. Yet again.

How do you keep thinking up the usernames? That has to be harder than coming up with the lame flamebait.

Who are you talking about, Flx?

 

[ashaman]

4 days x 12 months = 48 days

7000/48 = 145 a day

Doesn't sound like much of a good deal to me. Sounds like 7/7 plus a couple OT days here and there would be better. That's just me though.


X

Hi. I like the logical, analytical approach you've used here. The numbers may be off though, because the 7 & 7 schedule actually works one 15.2 days per month. Meaning that the 18-day (reserve) schedule is only 3 days more, not 4. So it should be: 7,000/36 = 194/day. Even so, it still makes better sense to pick up extra days at the higher 'extra day' rate while on the 7 & 7. Unless, of course, the extra days are not available, in which case the reserve schedule would be the only consistant way to significantly raise your pay. I've no idea how reliably extra days are available for those who want the overtime.

 

[DBCOOPER]

Whoever these CS pilots are that have said immature things in the past are sure an embarrassment. Come on, every company everywhere has a few people like that. Give it a rest. Somebody back there was blabbing about CS having low time 20 something year olds.....man look into the company a little. We don't hire low time pilots, we don't hire everyone that walks thru the door...every pilot hired at CS has lots of flight time, usually atleast in their 30's, and must look good in a yellow tie. (That part is a joke folks).

CS is a fine place to work. The pay and benefits are pretty good, who cares if one company makes a little more or a little less than the other (CS vs NJ)....it doesn't really matter. Some of you sound like children on here, it's embarrassing to the profession.

According to the article that started this thread, the C.P of CS said that the company planned on the raises last summer...who knows for sure, but I (who has been a proud union member before) will say that it sure is nice working for a company that just hands out large pay increases without having to pull teeth for it over years and years of union dues. I know I've never worked for a company that has done something like that...can anyone name one that has recently??

Since day 1, CS management has said that they want to keep pilots happy by treating them well. This in turn is passed onto the owners we fly, and so on. Yes there are some things that could be worked on, but as far as I'm concerned....this place is an excellent place to work. Oh and upgrade is falling at about 10-16 months of service...all you have to do is go out, provide a good service to the customer and avoid landing at the wrong airport. It basically all comes in seniority order. Some of you guys out there really have a false idea and think the merit system is something that it really isn't. Guess that's the only thing some people can find to pick on us about.

Congrats to NJ for not being screwed every payday anymore, and to all the other frac.'s....do what you have to do to get raises. Get a union or find a company with good management so that you get what you deserve.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Whoever these CS pilots are that have said immature things in the past are sure an embarrassment. Come on, every company everywhere has a few people like that.
CS is a fine place to work. The pay and benefits are pretty good, who cares if one company makes a little more or a little less than the other (CS vs NJ)....it doesn't really matter. Some of you sound like children on here, it's embarrassing to the profession.

According to the article that started this thread, the C.P of CS said that the company planned on the raises last summer...who knows for sure, but I (who has been a proud union member before) will say that it sure is nice working for a company that just hands out large pay increases without having to pull teeth for it over years and years of union dues. I know I've never worked for a company that has done something like that...can anyone name one that has recently??

Yah, there are a few here (FRACTRASH and Bogart) who are really giving you guys a bad name. Let me ask YOU this......do you too think that you got a pay raise because your mgmt just said, here yah go, nice job boys??? Or in your opinion was it as a result of our contract???

 

[FRACTRASH]

DBCOOPER: good post!! GUITAR ROCKER: will you just let it go, you're not going to change my view on the Union. You sure now how to beat a dead horse.

 

[DBCOOPER]

GR,

Look, I know that you want to hear me say it was all b/c of your union.

If you want my honest opinion, this is it...(fyi...I'm NOT a cool-aid drinker either, trust me)

When I started at CS, a good portion of my interview consisted of what my loyalty to the company would be. I got the "How long will you stay" question, "you wouldn't leave, would you" question, "we don't want people to use us as a stepping stone" and so on. I have never worked anywhere...and I've worked for quite a few places now darnit, that seem to take leaving so personally.

They have told me from day 1 that they want us to be happy, both financially and with QOL. They don't want turnover, that part is obvious. Then last summer morale started slipping b/c of certain things going on....folks were leaving for Continental, JetBlue, etc....I was flying with guys that were on the fence about leaving. Management knew this was going on. There were strong rumors going on from people that would be "in the know" that the company was working on an "incentive" to keep people on the property.

So, to answer your question....I'm quite confident that our raises were "in the works" and it was just a matter of timing that we got ours right after your contract was achieved. However, I could be wrong. Maybe we got our raises a little sooner b/c of you guys, maybe we got a little more. I definatly don't think that we got them based ONLY on your contract. Like I said though, it may have helped in part...and that's great, thank you to your union. To be honest, I can't believe you guys didn't strike....you were being hosed for TOO LONG. All my friends over there are finally happy with their job. How say you?

 

[XPGuy]

DBCOOPER: good post!! GUITAR ROCKER: will you just let it go, you're not going to change my view on the Union. You sure now how to beat a dead horse.

Just like you aren't going to change our view on you, FracTRASH. We could care less what you think of the union. It is obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about, and no matter how many times you try to post inaccurate information, or how bad you try to make CS pilots look dumb, we will always know "it's just Fractrash, and his opinion doesn't count because this is his first jet job". And disputing that is also beating a dead horse.

 

[Humphreybogart]

Yah, there are a few here (FRACTRASH and Bogart) who are really giving you guys a bad name. Let me ask YOU this......do you too think that you got a pay raise because your mgmt just said, here yah go, nice job boys??? Or in your opinion was it as a result of our contract???

Dude, I'm not giving Shares a bad name...I'm just busting your balls, and the balls of all you union rabel-rouser friends. Lighten up, it's all in fun!

 

[Humphreybogart]

Just like you aren't going to change our view on you, FracTRASH. We could care less what you think of the union. It is obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about, and no matter how many times you try to post inaccurate information, or how bad you try to make CS pilots look dumb, we will always know "it's just Fractrash, and his opinion doesn't count because this is his first jet job". And disputing that is also beating a dead horse.

XP and Rocker, we know you like the union and you're happy to admit it. So with the freedom of speach act, why can't us who dislike the union say that as well without being called names and told we were wrong to have that type of outlook? Seems a little one sided to me. It really hurts you guys to see a company progress and treat their employees as well as CS does without us having to fight tooth and nail for what we have. Face it, we're happy here and I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I investigated all the fracs out there before I even applied at CS. All I know was CS was the one for me and I am happy I chose it that way.

 

[FL410Femme]

Why hasn't someone answered my questions?

What about the schedule swap 11 day tours in February? Compensation?

What about training on your days off? and the two days spent traveling, one on each side of the training event?

What about the women pilots who have left?

What about the Christmas party only allowing employees, no spouses?

Do you get overtime pay for a 3 AM wake-up?

Thanks again for your responses

 

[Humphreybogart]

Why hasn't someone answered my questions?

What about the schedule swap 11 day tours in February? Compensation?

What about training on your days off? and the two days spent traveling, one on each side of the training event?

What about the women pilots who have left?

What about the Christmas party only allowing employees, no spouses?

Do you get overtime pay for a 3 AM wake-up?

Thanks again for your responses

HA, HA, HA!
What kind of sucker do you think you're going to reel in with that kind of bait? Stay at the airlines.

 

[DBCOOPER]

FL410Femme,

Sorry, I didn't know you were being ignored. Your questions can be very easily answered....

1) The 11 day swap is gone. It is now 5 off/6 on/5 off/5 on to get to the opposite week rotation. The company switched that out of the kindness of their heart b/c they knew the pilot group didn't like the 11 day rotation.

2) Training on days off is coming to an end the end of this year. That has not been seen in writing yet, but it is a strong rumor and I think it will happen. They know we don't like it. Also recurrent is going to be a 5 day affair focusing more on company op's instead of mainly just a sim check.

3) I don't know anything about female pilots that have left this company, but I do know a few males that left. Not sure what the point of that question is, but I've met and flown with a few female pilots that are just great and a pleasure to fly with...just like all the guys i've flown with.

4) Not sure who you've been talking to, but there was nothing on my invitation last year saying I couldn't bring my wife to the party.

5) I don't think there is any extra comp. for a 3a.m. wake-up call. I've never had a call that early anyway. It would still beat the red-eye flights I had to do at the airlines.

 

[Humphreybogart]

DB, you're a kind soul. This person has been trying to flamebait CS for a little while. I think the screen name was made up just for that reason. You're a patient person.

 

[DBCOOPER]

Ah, really? Well, the info.'s out there now. Not a big secret as far as i'm concerned anyway.

 

[WheresRocky]

Oh.

Why hasn't someone answered my questions?

What about the schedule swap 11 day tours in February? Compensation?

What about training on your days off? and the two days spent traveling, one on each side of the training event?

What about the women pilots who have left?

What about the Christmas party only allowing employees, no spouses?

Do you get overtime pay for a 3 AM wake-up?

Thanks again for your responses

Guess you got fired before they changed all that.

 

[Texasskicker]

DB Cooper, you are the MAN

FL410Femme,

Sorry, I didn't know you were being ignored. Your questions can be very easily answered....

1) The 11 day swap is gone. It is now 5 off/6 on/5 off/5 on to get to the opposite week rotation. The company switched that out of the kindness of their heart b/c they knew the pilot group didn't like the 11 day rotation.

2) Training on days off is coming to an end the end of this year. That has not been seen in writing yet, but it is a strong rumor and I think it will happen. They know we don't like it. Also recurrent is going to be a 5 day affair focusing more on company op's instead of mainly just a sim check.

3) I don't know anything about female pilots that have left this company, but I do know a few males that left. Not sure what the point of that question is, but I've met and flown with a few female pilots that are just great and a pleasure to fly with...just like all the guys i've flown with.

4) Not sure who you've been talking to, but there was nothing on my invitation last year saying I couldn't bring my wife to the party.

5) I don't think there is any extra comp. for a 3a.m. wake-up call. I've never had a call that early anyway. It would still beat the red-eye flights I had to do at the airlines.

I think we finally located a CS pilot who has his head on straight.

Finally, a lucid discussion of CS stuff. What, did they start letting CS management post here finally?

Keep up the good work DB. Guitar and other flamers, y'all are in fer it now.

Moderator reviewed.

 

[FL410Femme]

DB,

Thanks for your answers. There sure is alot of attitude on here. I thought that NJA offered overtime for early morning trips. Isn't it citation policy that your day starts and ends at 3 am, not midnight?

Thanks for your help.

 

[FLYLOW22]

So, to answer your question....I'm quite confident that our raises were "in the works" and it was just a matter of timing that we got ours right after your contract was achieved.

To be honest, I can't believe you guys didn't strike....you were being hosed for TOO LONG. All my friends over there are finally happy with their job. How say you?

That same "timing" would have worked against you if we had not gotten our contract. It would be bad timing for a raise.

It wasn't our choice to go on strike. RLA requires a release from NMB for a strike. unfortunately, Bush, that ever-loving labor champion (sarcasm included here) who loves to communicate subliminabbababbabaly is in the White house and we fly his buddies around so no deal.

Wish it was our choice. We would have finished the parade long ago.

 

[Guitar rocker]

DBCOOPER: good post!! GUITAR ROCKER: will you just let it go, you're not going to change my view on the Union. You sure now how to beat a dead horse.

Trash.....let me make something clear to you. Nobody is driving a union down your throat here! How many times do I have to tell you that! Geeeez kid! C'mon! However, there have been many posts here that explain why a union is good and what it can do for pilots and companies involved in mergers. I am not trying to make you change your mind at all. People here have simply wanted to know why you are so anti-union and I for one, would like to know why you imply that we are a "sweatshop operation" as you have so kindly pointed out on several occasions. You try and avoid answering valid questions that are asked of you by throwing out a blanket statement such as "nobody is going to change my view on unions" and referring to us as "childish" and "immature." Answer the question and use facts! I hate to say it, but even Bogart has been able to coherently answer some questions in a respectable manner, very unlike you. You cant possibly be more than 23 years old going on 13???