Crash off Miami beach

[CSY Mon]

A similar accident happened to a Grumman Mallard in St. Croix harbor in 1986.

The cause of the accident was that the aileron cables had been rubbing the insulation from the generator main feed cable.
When the metal finally made contact, shortly after take-off, the current snapped the aileron cable and they lost control and dove in.
Pax and crew survived the impact, but one woman drowned.

Don't remember if it was a turbine Mallard or a piston one.

Sombody once said that half the Mallards ever built have crashed over the years...Not sure if that is a fact or not.

As for the PT-6 having problems: Don't know about that. I got 2000 hours on PT-6s and found them as reliable as a hammer.

 

[aeronautic1]

No PT6 problems? Lucky I guess.

As for the PT-6 having problems: Don't know about that. I got 2000 hours on PT-6s and found them as reliable as a hammer.

http://www.ntsb.gov/Recs/letters/2004/A03_58_61.pdf

 

[Mud Eagle]

The PT6 cannot be ruled out as it is notorious for problems.

Care to be more specific? Military trainers use the PT-6 and don't seem to have an inordinate amount of accidents attributed to the engine.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

18 pax with holiday luggage, gifts, supplies etc... you know this airplane was at max gross or more.

Guys, Aeronautic is an idiot. Check his old posts, he's the same guy who thinks 35K is good pay for a Galaxy pilot...nuff said.

obviously he has the same knowledge about PT6s and W&B as he does his own worth.

19 people dead 3 hours ago and he's already made the NTSB report and pinned it on the pilots.

JACKOFF.

 

[Kaman]

Hey Aeronautic,
Could you please enlighten all of us with PT-6 experience about the "problems" with the it? IUn my recollection there has never been a reported case of either an uncontained engine fire or catastrophic turbine failure. I could be wrong, but thats what I was told in my training.
Regardless, I wouldn't begin to speculate about the cause. I think it is more important to focus on the loss to the families involved. A very sad day.

 

[421Driver]

The basic PT-6 was designed to pump oil out of the ground while running continuously for 10,000 or more hours. Keep the fuel tank full, make sure there's oil, and it will run.

RIP to all involved. Very sad news.

 

[Thedude]

But of course Scary Mary is putting in her 2 cents worth

 

[lonelyguy]

Aeronautic

Hey Aeronautic,
Could you please enlighten all of us with PT-6 experience about the "problems" with the it? IUn my recollection there has never been a reported case of either an uncontained engine fire or catastrophic turbine failure. I could be wrong, but thats what I was told in my training.
Regardless, I wouldn't begin to speculate about the cause. I think it is more important to focus on the loss to the families involved. A very sad day.

I would also like to enlighten on all the uncontained engine fires or turbine blade failures.If you have ever attended FlightSafety International that is one of the most reliable engines on the market and there was never a catastrophic turbine failure or engine fire associated with a PT-6 engine.Sounds like a classic case of open mouth and insert foot.

 

[navigator72]

God bless all affected by this horrible tragedy.

 

[AIR2MUD]

"I know that if the my buddy did the weight and balance, it was good to go."

You obviously have never worked for any Florida to Bahamas operator. Over gross is a way of life.

I still stand by my speculation that it was a wing failure. The PT6 cannot be ruled out as it is notorious for problems.

Speculate? Sure. Why should WSVN have all the fun.

BTW... my prayers to the crew, passengers and their family. There is a God, obviously.

You're a moron.

There are certain people in this world that hold themselves and the others around them to higher standards. The reason the copilot isn't where I work anymore is for that very reason. So when I say that airplane wouldn't have taken off overloaded, as long as the BOW he was given was good, then I mean what I say. PD is the type of person who would have walked off the aircraft rather than subject himself and his passengers to an overloaded or out of C.G. aircraft.

The last two sentences don't cover up for the first part of your message. If you were a professional, you wouldn't be speculating. @$$hole.

 

[UCF Aviator]

My full respects and sympathies to the pilots, families and friends as well as the passengers. It is unfortunate that this stuff happens.

I have about 1100 hours PT-6 PIC time, all out of South Florida to the bahamas. The PT-6 is known to be an extremely reliable engine. However there is one thing to note. There have been problems w/ the exhaust outlets and fittings on the pt-6. From my experience with the Caravans I flew we did have a few problems w/ the exhaust fittings, I think one may have come close to burning off. I'm not sure where exactly the fuel tanks are on the Grumman but it would interesting to see where they are in relation to exhuast provided there was some exhaust failure.

One other thing I would like to mention. I thought it was very interesting that a government official said the crash was not terror related less the half an hour after the crash happened. Engines don't just blow up and wings don't just fall off, now thats according to some credible witnesses but who knows. How could someone figure out that it wasn't not terror related less than half an hour after the crash. It is more than likely not terror related but why would the government say that so quickly. Maybe they don't want people panicking during the holidays w/ airline travel. I don't know, just something to think about.

 

[aeronautic1]

edited for language, sanity and out of respect for the folks that died today.

Aeronautic1, you have only one more chance at normal posts before you are done for, my friend. Please play nice.

EF

 

[Flyerjosh]

Regardless of the W/B CG being within limits, it could come into play. Don't want to speculate, but odds are that the plane was close to MTOW with a full load of bags and pax, that certainly could come into play if the airplane had structural failure or hit some submerged object on the takeoff roll.

It's certainly a very sad incident (as is any aircraft accident), and my thoughts go out to those affected. If anybody has access to (or finds) a passenger/crew manifest, please PM me. I would like to add this accident to my accident memorial page.

http://aviation.crosswindlanding.com/remembrance.htm

 

[wrxpilot]

I just can't believe the unsympathetic posts that I've been seeing more and more of on here.

Unfortunately many of the people here have something wrong w/ them mentally. Aeronautic1 is obviously a mental defective.

AIR2MUD, my condolences. Let us know how it goes and if you need anything.

 

[Guitar rocker]

edited for language, sanity and out of respect for the folks that died today.

Aeronautic1, you have only one more chance at normal posts before you are done for, my friend. Please play nice.

EF

Aeronautic1, stop being a tool and quit spurting out such haphazard and ignorant thoughts and speculating/second guessing the pilots, the engines, the weight and balance etc. Nobody cares about YOUR professional findings here at all and if you could just shut your trap that would be great. Let the NTSB determine the facts and report their findings.

My prayers go out to all those deceased and their families involved. A terrible thing to happen to anyone.....