Cost for de-icing

[av8tor4239]

Are you that Guy

Av8or.

I was reading the Sunday AJC here in Atlanta and there was an article about "Jet Socks".. is that your company???

 

[Rubber Ducky]

Scherignature

De-icing questions...

About 6 weeks ago, IAD was hit with a snow storm. Scherignature said their hangar was full, company called to confirm, we got dumped on. In the morning we asked again if we could be moved into the hangar for a few hours, same answer "hangar full". While de-icing, they opened the door, hangar had 1, uno, "one" aircraft tucket in the back corner. I checked cost to de-ice our aircraft which we broomed the wings and another of same type that did not broom the wings. Ours was $3000, the aircraft right before us was $7000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe this was intentional on Scherignature's part.

 

[jws717]

Holy smokes! I have de-iced at least 20 times this month. It just has not stopped snowing in the East. Someone is getting a bill for around 100K. Not to mention having to call out mechanics with heat guns, to melt the N1 iced over.

 

[Myster79]

Who cares how much it costs... If there is ice/frost on an airfoil.. then De-ice!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Luckily, NJA seems to be pretty on top of the weather. I've found that if de-ice is going to be required the next morning the company USUALLY already has us on the hangar list. It is one of the FEW times the company doesn't step over a dollar to pick up a dime

Not so fast. Day 1 of tour, walked out to plane that had been sitting for a week. A foot of snow on it, and 1 hour to departure for a short ferry to pick up pax. Small cabin airplane, over $3500 to deice, and that's after sweeping off as much snow as we could reach.

 

[fischman]

That's why I typed "USUALLY" in all caps. "USUALLY" does not mean all the time.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Happened all the time that tour. More than one tail, more than one day.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Funny, in 10 years with the company, I've never asked permission to de-ice. Jet needs it, jet gets it. My decision. And I've never had anybody in management ask me about it after the fact.

+1

If you feel the need to call in and "ask to de-ice" your ass doesn't belong in the left seat.

 

[landlover]

$8200 @ SDF, Falcon 20.

 

[brokeflyer]

+1

If you feel the need to call in and "ask to de-ice" your ass doesn't belong in the left seat.

nor do you belong at that dirtbag operation.

Good advice DAS.

 

[Deftone45075]

Two step process with Type I and IV - $7100. Yeah, we got ripped off.

 

[AV8OR]

Thanks for all the great responses folks. Mr/MS Moderator, hopefully this next statement is not a violation of policy. If so just delete it.

The reason for the question I placed was that I work for a company that has developed an safe, inexpensive, aircraft specific, solution for preventing delays due to de-icing on frost and light snow days that complies with the FAA regs 100%.

If anyone is interested in finding out more PM me. I'll leave it at that on here so as to hopefully not violate the forum rules.

Warm regards...

 

[AV8OR]

One other thing....the reason for the posting was to get an idea what costs folks were paying for their de-icing.

 

[notaNJApilot]

are you going to shoot rockets into the clouds to scare away the bad weather like the Chinese?

 

[glasspilot]

I think he sells "Airplane Snuggies".

 

[AV8OR]

Av8or.

I was reading the Sunday AJC here in Atlanta and there was an article about "Jet Socks".. is that your company???

I'm 1/3 of the team.....But not that guy in the article. I'm WAAAY better lookin!....LOL

 

[AV8OR]

I think he sells "Airplane Snuggies".

That's not too far off the mark.

 

[Nolife]

The reason for the question I placed was that I work for a company that has developed an safe, inexpensive, aircraft specific, solution for preventing delays due to de-icing on frost and light snow days that complies with the FAA regs 100%.

You might be able to retire off that idea.

I just returned from EGE this weekend and I found the cheaper alternative. It's called a hanger and at $375 a night it's much cheaper than the $22 per gallon type 1 they sell. Now it took me 6 days on the list to finally get in the hanger. Had I popped in the night before and needed a hanger I'd be SOL and paying $3000 plus for type 1.

One another note I also developed a cheaper alternative. I heat water in the coffee pot, then mix the hot water and powdered type 1 grape juice in a bucket and use a swifer to apply to the wings and tail. Poor some vodka minis into the mix and it makes the swifering much more fun.

 

[Mike Jenvey]

Depending on fluid/aircraft/authority guidelines, there may well be the requirement (extra cost) to wash down an airframe at some stage to remove residual de-ice fluid to prevent re-hydration & freezing.

From a Dassault FSA very recently:

During operation in cold weather conditions, use of thickened deicing/anti-ice fluids may lead to the formation of dehydrated residues. Thereafter, the rehydration and subsequent freezing of these residues may interfere with the aircraft's mechanical systems such as flight controls.​

As a consequence, EASA has released an Advance-Notice of Proposed Amendment (A-NPA 2007-11) which recommends to eliminate residues that can result from application of de-icing/anti-icing fluids.

Transport Canada have some pretty good holdover tables; some are for specific products, which give a slight advantage for HOTs against "generic" tables. Obviously, use the tables IAW with company/FAA/CAA mandate!!

 

[AV8OR]

As I said before... if anyone is interested in what we have send me a PM. Through the end of March, $100 gift card for any lead that turns into a sale. Right now we have product for Citation II, Lear 45 and Hawker 800XP is next.