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BenderGonzales said:
OFF TOPIC:

Just curious. Why did you use the phrase "MY copilot"?

Do you own the copilot? Does he belong to you?

Are you his boss (where the phrase "MY employee" would be appropriate)?

Or does he simply report to you where the phrase "my subordinate" would be more appropriate?

More importantly is that the kind of cockpit you run? Master and apprentice? Do you let him touch the radar?

I'm not attacking you personally, but this phrase has bothered me lately. The implication is that in the cockpit we are not a team but rather that I am there to learn from you until one day I might finally graduate to your seat.

In the flight you described this was obviously not the case. The F/O had vastly more experience than you did.

These are only words, you might think. You might be right. Perhaps i'm the only one who cringes when a Captain introduces me as HIS.

I'd rather be introduced as THE first-officer or HIS co-worker.

Just whining. Ok back to your topic. ATC sucks.... yadda yadda.
Bender is correct here, though I think what he was trying to say came across the wrong way.
1st of all, there are drastic differences in a professional setting (My Co-Pilot) and a social setting (My Girlfriend).
I have seen Legacy's posts, not only here, but other posts as well, and I do not think he is the kind of guy Bender is referring to. I have seen more times than not, Captain's saying MY Copilot, MY, MY, MY. From time to time, it is OK, but to be referred to in the possessive in a professional environment is unprofessional. There are those captains that do that ALL THE TIME no matter what they are talking about. In my experiences, it has been ego driven. The ones that are ALWAYS saying My-Copilot are the ones that want you to know that they are the captain and in charge. Who cares? Most dont. I have heard the same pilots talk about the co-pilots wanting "Their Seat" (the left seat). I didn't know the captain owned the seat, and furthermore, of course they want that seat. Who aspires to sit in the right seat their whole career?
Finally, I have also noticed those that ALWAYS say "My Seat/My Co-Pilot" are the ones that make all the decisions as if they were flying single pilot, then when the screw something up, it's now, "WE". NO, NO, NO. It's been you, you, you excluding the other pilot the whole time and now all of the sudden something is not on the up and up with the PAX or the Company, and now it's "We deceided". Homey don't play that. I don't think so.
Please keep in mind, I am not saying all the Capts are like this, but the ones that are always talking about the other pilot as if they own them are the pilots I am speaking about.
Another thing the bugs me is I used to work with a guy who was a GREAT pilot, but the kind of guy you didn't want to be around for more than an hour a month. I learned a lot from him by figuring things out on my own(he had an ego and hated for anyone else to get the same training he had), but everytime this guy met someone that was in aviation, he would list all the type ratings he had. Like anyone cares. It would be embarrassing to see a buddy in an FBO and I would be obligated to introduce him to my buddy (BTW, I NEVER referred to him as my Captain), and I would want to hide cause 30 seconds after I made the intro, he'd be listing his types. My buddy would call later that night and be like WTF? Who was that and why did he tell me all of his types? The best was when he once chatted up a guy in jeans at an FBO in Ypsilanti, MI. He started listing his types to this guy, and the guy in jeans was like, "Oh, so you are just getting started in aviation? What have you been doing all these years before you were a pilot?" Turns out the guy started listing his types, and after his tour in the 89th flying AF1 was over, he went on to fly some real heavy corporate iron. Just shut this guy up, and the guy I was flying with got P#ssed off on the way home complaining about what a jerk the AF1 guy was. The guy was real cool, so I guess the only reason he theough he was a jerk is because he had more experience and rating than the guy I was flying with. The ride home was conducted mostly in silence.
 
LegacyDriver said:
Never bothered me in the slightest.

"My friend..."

"My co-worker..."

"My co-pilot..."

"My co-Captain..."

I can't imagine why anyone would get bent about that.


my
Used preceding various forms of polite, affectionate, or familiar address: My friend, you are so right.



Its bad, annoys most pilots I know...

Its like "My Bitch".

In general, most people who frequently use this have the most problems in the cockpit...and socially. They do dinners alone after night ONE on the road. I work/have worked with a few "My copilots"...and they are in general...tools.

just an observation.


I know, way off topic here...you may have not meant it that way in the original post.
 
"... I need to call MY dispatcher"
"... Is MY wingtip going to clear?"
"... He gave ME a late turn and we overshot the localizer"

We've all heard examples such as these.
 
So, what's the most professional/polite way to say it? ... "my crew member" ?

I know a guy who, when talking to most people, will always refer to what he flies as "my airplane." ... *SLAP!*
 
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Yeah I'm at a loss as to an alternative. The dictionary defines it as polite. Guess I missed the memo on this....

Must be a "Corporate Thing" cuz nobody at the airline ever gave a hoot. ;) Nobody I fly with cares either.

For the record I will continue to use it (until someone comes up with some politically correct way of introducing a fellow pilot) but it is not meant to sound derogatory or condescending in any way.
 
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Groundpounder said:
Was this you?

27-Dec-2005 E135/Q Westchester Co [KHPN] Fort Lauderdale Executive [KFXE] 05:38PM EST 08:06PM EST2:28

No I was going out west. Trying to think what time it was. It was earlier than that for sure.
 
I am a pilot. I am qualified in the right seat as well as the left. I fly with other pilots. My boss is Chief Pilot but prefers just pilot. My Director of Maintenance is a mechanic as well as a pilot. My business card says "Pilot." I don't get off being called Captain. I don't condiscend by calling the other pilot "copilot."

We have a few that like titles. I might be the "Captain of Record" for planning and filing an international trip, yet I'll always be "his" copilot. Some have a string of acronyms on their business cards. Does John Doe executive care if I have an ATP or an SES rating? Does John Doe executive even look? If he saw them, would he have a clue what they meant?

Years ago the airlines followed the military in "assigning" chains of command. Remember when the Captain was King and his decision shall not be questioned? Ahh...many of you are to young to remember....LUCKY YOU! In todays aviation world, it's more like a chain of responsibility. :rolleyes:

A bush pilot in Alaska once said "you'll know they're not a real bush pilot when they walk around with a hat and t-shirt that says "BUSH PILOT!"

2000Flyer
 
GulfstreamSDL said:
So, what's the most professional/polite way to say it? ... "my crew member" ?

I know a guy who, when talk to most people, will always refer to what he flies as "my airplane." ... *SLAP!*

Apparently the whole objective of this is to do away with the term "my".

So I guess I won't say, "my airplane" when confirming control swaps. I'll have to say, "I have the flight controls" or something like that.

Honestly I have never heard of anyone getting bent out of shape over "my". I think some folks have too much time on their hands to get worked up over something so insignificant. If you are respectful to the other pilot I don't think "my" or "your" makes much difference.

I guess if I went around calling all my fellow (oops I did it again) Captains, "my Captain," I would get accused of being insecure, lacking self-confidence, etc. etc. or something.

I'll just stick with "my" for now cuz I don't know how else to tell the story without saying it that way. ("Well the other pilot I was flying with..." or "The other Captain I was flying with..." That sounds kinda' stupid... )
 
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You could always take a lesson from the way your copilots most likely talk about you when they get home to their wives.

"You wouldn't believe this douchebag I was flying with" :)
 
Rabble said:
You could always take a lesson from the way your copilots most likely talk about you when they get home to their wives.

"You wouldn't believe this douchebag I was flying with" :)

LOL!!

I can't believe you KNOW that! I was hoping to keep that a secret. :P
 
LegacyDriver said:
Twelve O'Clock and Eighty Miles was PSB (PHILLIPSBURG) not Solberg. So we just said, "Roger," and went to PSB.

That's spelled Philipsburg, with one 'L'. The locals pronounce it 'Philisburg' - and don't ask me how I know all this.

Why do central Pennsylvanians say, "Floor needs swept," call a vaccuum a "sweeper," and have a general dislike for conjunctions?

Back to your regularly scheduled controller berating...

TG
 
That Guy said:
That's spelled Philipsburg, with one 'L'. The locals pronounce it 'Philisburg' - and don't ask me how I know all this.

Why do central Pennsylvanians say, "Floor needs swept," call a vaccuum a "sweeper," and have a general dislike for conjunctions?

Back to your regularly scheduled controller berating...

TG

And either spelling apparently sounds a *LOT* like SOLBERG. :)
 
That Guy said:
That's spelled Philipsburg, with one 'L'. The locals pronounce it 'Philisburg' - and don't ask me how I know all this.

Why do central Pennsylvanians say, "Floor needs swept," call a vaccuum a "sweeper," and have a general dislike for conjunctions?

Back to your regularly scheduled controller berating...
Good, now that we have resolved this crisis how about tackling the infamous "Cleared direct Charlie West as filed..."

As far as the "My copilot" thing goes, might I suggest "The guy I fly with"?

Hells bells guys.

'Sled
 
BenderGonzales said:
Just curious. Why did you use the phrase "MY copilot"?

Do you own the copilot? Does he belong to you?

Are you his boss (where the phrase "MY employee" would be appropriate)?

Or does he simply report to you where the phrase "my subordinate" would be more appropriate?

More importantly is that the kind of cockpit you run? Master and apprentice? Do you let him touch the radar?

:uzi:
 

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