Contract in waiting EXPRESSJET

[Thebadcat1313]

ExpressJet gets an agreement in principle. MEC votes next week whether to make it a tentative agreement. What will we see?

 

[Nevets]

We will see a concessionary contract.

 

[rockit85]

We'll see another spineless group vote in concessions

 

[SoberIrishman]

Now the fun starts?

 

[CFIT]

We'll see another spineless group vote in concessions

Well, XJet will now be joining the elite group with their friends from Pinnacle and PSA!

 

[CFIT]

Well, XJet will now be joining the elite group with their friends from Pinnacle and PSA!

The negotiation power ALPA is something to behold!

 

[JustaNumber]

Let's throw some predictions out there, just for fun. I know none of us have any info about it, other than stuff we've inferred from statements made by the union guys over the years, but let's see what you predict.

I predict both MECs will approve the TA for submission to the membership.

I predict the pilot group will reject the contract. (Most are ready to reject it sight unseen right now).

I predict it will be mostly current book plus maybe a 1-3% pay increase. There will be miniscule improvements to reserve life, but nothing substantial. Maybe no call-for-release, but they'll still be able to assign an hour of "airport standby" at the end of every trip (so there's really no benefit). There will be no mention of prohibiting involuntary TDY for reserves (which allows five and six day trips). Reserve would still go as junior as it can get. Vacation low will mostly go away--you'll only be able to use it in one of the two months during a cross-over week, and you'll have to have your min guarantee reduced--i.e. get paid only for what you fly. There will be fences and seat-locks that would extremely limit swapping bases between the crj and erj.

What am I missing?

By the way, I advocate voting no, just to buy some time to see how many loopholes they come up with regarding the new ftdt rules. Wouldn't you rather finalize the next six to ten years after seeing what a couple of months look like under the new rules?

 

[Plainsman]

If they mess with vacation low vote no, that's the main reason pbs was sold. Indian Givers. Good lord knows what is going to happen to insurance cost next year when we get the boot thanks to ayatollah obama.

 

[PUCK]

I was talking to a union guy (rep) on our side (LXJT) and they agreed to no changes to Vacation for both sides. Too ugly in mngt's opinon. Better to go after retirement and insurance. Jer

But we'll see in two weeks!

 

[goahead]

Guarantee our group votes no to anything less than we currently have let alone anything like PSA or Pinnacle.

 

[JustaNumber]

Guarantee our group votes no to anything less than we currently have let alone anything like PSA or Pinnacle.

I think we'll vote no even if it's exactly what we currently have.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Let's throw some predictions out there, just for fun. I know none of us have any info about it, other than stuff we've inferred from statements made by the union guys over the years, but let's see what you predict.

I predict both MECs will approve the TA for submission to the membership.

I predict the pilot group will reject the contract. (Most are ready to reject it sight unseen right now).

I predict it will be mostly current book plus maybe a 1-3% pay increase. There will be miniscule improvements to reserve life, but nothing substantial. Maybe no call-for-release, but they'll still be able to assign an hour of "airport standby" at the end of every trip (so there's really no benefit). There will be no mention of prohibiting involuntary TDY for reserves (which allows five and six day trips). Reserve would still go as junior as it can get. Vacation low will mostly go away--you'll only be able to use it in one of the two months during a cross-over week, and you'll have to have your min guarantee reduced--i.e. get paid only for what you fly. There will be fences and seat-locks that would extremely limit swapping bases between the crj and erj.

What am I missing?

By the way, I advocate voting no, just to buy some time to see how many loopholes they come up with regarding the new ftdt rules. Wouldn't you rather finalize the next six to ten years after seeing what a couple of months look like under the new rules?

PBS at ASA passed by what? I think it was 87%, or 83%. I never met one yes voter for PBS at ASA. I predict a 80% yes on the ASA side. What's 80% of 1800? 1600 yes votes? Or thereabouts? They need 2200-2300 yes total votes. That amounts to roughly 600-700 yes votes out of 3000 from the legacy side. My prediction which is about as worthwhile as college preseason polls is, PASS 65%. Just my prediction.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Well, XJet will now be joining the elite group with their friends from Pinnacle and PSA!

Hardly. This contract will be most likely concessionary for LXJT. It will be a gain on the ASA side. We Are running currently very similar to SkyWest on our contract currently to what Jerry hands you. There will be no paycuts, and a modest bump on the 50 seat rates. My guess is on the LXJT side, their OJI bank will disappear, and their 401k match will be revamped or "enhanced" as the Inc people like to say.

SkyWest will magically have an E175 rate soon. How will that override work? ;-)

 

[JustaNumber]

PBS at ASA passed by what? I think it was 87%, or 83%. I never met one yes voter for PBS at ASA. I predict a 80% yes on the ASA side. What's 80% of 1800? 1600 yes votes? Or thereabouts? They need 2200-2300 yes total votes. That amounts to roughly 600-700 yes votes out of 3000 from the legacy side. My prediction which is about as worthwhile as college preseason polls is, PASS 65%. Just my prediction.

I voted yes on PBS, because I expected my quality of life to significantly improve, which it did.

I am not expecting our qol to improve with this contract.
We'll see, but I'll buy if we approve it by 80%. :beer:

 

[Thebadcat1313]

I voted yes on PBS, because I expected my quality of life to significantly improve, which it did.

I am not expecting our qol to improve with this contract.
We'll see, but I'll buy if we approve it by 80%. :beer:

If you're on the ASA side, it will improve.

 

[ASAFOE120]

PBS at ASA passed by what? I think it was 87%, or 83%. I never met one yes voter for PBS at ASA. I predict a 80% yes on the ASA side. What's 80% of 1800? 1600 yes votes? Or thereabouts? They need 2200-2300 yes total votes. That amounts to roughly 600-700 yes votes out of 3000 from the legacy side. My prediction which is about as worthwhile as college preseason polls is, PASS 65%. Just my prediction.

Well i voted yes for PBS because we were either getting a pbs system that we had some say in how it worked, or we would get a pbs system later on with NO say in how it would work. I wasnt happy voting yes at the time because of all the stories from other work groups that had it and how bad it was.

However, after i figured out how to bid with pbs and what strategies worked for me, i am happy we got what we did. My qol is much better. And i dont see any guys here that wont admit to voting for it.

 

[Freebrd]

I voted for PBS, great to have 2-3 weeks off for one week of vacation, and get paid guarantee.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

I agree PBS at ASA is awesome. However when it came time to vote for that PBS, all I saw was everyone screaming "hell no!" I'm predicting things will remain the same with this contact vote. A lot of nevets no vocalizers and then reality.

 

[enuffalready]

I don't even care what's in it. At this point I would happily vote a $1 an hour pay reduction just to watch nevets freak the F out. His/her condescending spew is only second to genital lee.

 

[Jackie Moon]

I voted for pbs when I was at Asa and pretty much everyone I talked to voted for it too. I was kinda on the fence at the time but ended up deciding to vote in favor. I knew others on the fence but didn't really talk to anyone who said he"" no after it was up for a vote.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

I don't even care what's in it. At this point I would happily vote a $1 an hour pay reduction just to watch nevets freak the F out. His/her condescending spew is only second to genital lee.

HA! Totally agree!!!!

 

[wms]

PBS at ASA passed by what? I think it was 87%, or 83%. I never met one yes voter for PBS at ASA. I predict a 80% yes on the ASA side. What's 80% of 1800? 1600 yes votes? Or thereabouts? They need 2200-2300 yes total votes. That amounts to roughly 600-700 yes votes out of 3000 from the legacy side. My prediction which is about as worthwhile as college preseason polls is, PASS 65%. Just my prediction.

I voted yes for PBS at ASA and am happy with it. I have voted no for everything else in my time here.

I will vote NO for this TA.

 

[SoberIrishman]

We will all earn less come January, so anything concessionary is an automatic no vote. Enhancements are what's needed, not concessions.
My biggest concern is what the future of our healthcare will be.

 

[OCP]

A flightcrew member on reserve is assigned a 3-day trip. On day 3, the flightcrew member flies one segment and returns to base. After block-in, the certificate holder assigns 3 additional segments which can be completed within the FDP, flight time and cumulative limits. Is this permissible? A-87. If the flightcrew member has completed the FDP (blocked in), he/she cannot be placed on a RAP to allow further flight assignments until he/she has received a 10 consecutivehour rest. However, before the end of the FDP, the certificate holder could reschedule and add the 3 flight segments. In that event, the flightcrew member would have to recalculate the FDP, flight time and cumulative limits to determine if the additional flight segments can be legally f lown. The flightcrew member would also have to reaffirm his or her fitness for duty before beginning each flight segmentor something started earlier in the party about not calling at the end of a reserve assignment.

 

[Nevets]

Hardly. This contract will be most likely concessionary for LXJT. It will be a gain on the ASA side. We Are running currently very similar to SkyWest on our contract currently to what Jerry hands you. There will be no paycuts, and a modest bump on the 50 seat rates. My guess is on the LXJT side, their OJI bank will disappear, and their 401k match will be revamped or "enhanced" as the Inc people like to say.

SkyWest will magically have an E175 rate soon. How will that override work? ;-)

If that's the case, it's still an overall concessionary contract. When 2/3 (2800 pilots) get a concession, it's a concessionary contract. We'd be no different than PSA.

I don't even care what's in it. At this point I would happily vote a $1 an hour pay reduction just to watch nevets freak the F out. His/her condescending spew is only second to genital lee.

Hardly, I'm prepared for worst case scenario. I'm actually pessimistic about it to begin with. Is be surprised if they send it out to ratification, that it doesn't pass.

PS Don't take what I write personal if comes out condescending. That's usually not my intent.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Unfortunately LXJT side is going to be the one under most pressure, and has the most to lose......only 50 seaters, one carrier contract, OJI bank, B fund, and more. A shrinking fleet is in their future, transfer of flying, or whatever St George wants, and will get. If you think Delta's ruthless treatment of the regionals is bad, just wait and see what this shakedown will bring.
Not going to be pretty. Everyone who can should get their logbooks updated.

 

[Dannone]

There will be nobody to fly the planes soon enough no need to rush on this. Just sit tight and have patience. We will have more and more power as time goes by.

 

[Nevets]

Unfortunately LXJT side is going to be the one under most pressure, and has the most to lose......only 50 seaters, one carrier contract, OJI bank, B fund, and more. A shrinking fleet is in their future, transfer of flying, or whatever St George wants, and will get. If you think Delta's ruthless treatment of the regionals is bad, just wait and see what this shakedown will bring.
Not going to be pretty. Everyone who can should get their logbooks updated.

Exactly! If you have been paying attention, you could see this train coming miles away. Anyone not prepared for worst case scenario is probably going to vote yes.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Before or after the 50's are sent west to the desert?

 

[SoberIrishman]

Another thought.....if Sky west Airlines is the minority party, how come they contribute so much to Sky west Inc's profit, and earn more as pilots? What is so wrong with XJT to say it is losing so much money, or is some creative accounting going on?
It is inconceivable that division contributes so much to the bottom line to negate a loss on the XJT side, and show an overall profit for SKYW.
I don't even remember when we last got a bonus for 1%+ profit margin. That's "engineered" in their favor also!