Continental (new UA) or US Airways?

[charlie2]

Hey, being an ALPA member became a disgrace. Agreeing to no windfalls was just a lie. xoxoxo
:lol:

He doesn't think a 2 MONTH guy going above him on a seniority list is a windfall...he must be a new guy in the biz...I'm not a new guy.

 

[Mamma]

Was it worth it? You clowns are an anchor on the entire profession! Your crap pay affects us all. So, thanks a lot for not honoring your agreements like men and thanks a lot for dragging us all down. And Turtle, it was arbitration not ALPA. Friggin dishonorable whiners.

 

[NavinRJohnson]

Judging by how this thread digressed into bitter US Air seniority list infighting, I would pick UAL over US Air. As a matter of fact. It seems most threads these days wind up talking about this same subject.

I wouldn't want to constantly listen to all that 'we got screwed' mantra over and over again at the work place. I think the bitterness will be there for quite sometime, and I wouldn't want any part of it.

Good luck. Live in base regardless, and don't take your work home with you....

 

[Mamma]

Judging by how this thread digressed into bitter US Air seniority list infighting, I would pick UAL over US Air. As a matter of fact. It seems most threads these days wind up talking about this same subject.

I wouldn't want to constantly listen to all that 'we got screwed' mantra over and over again at the work place. I think the bitterness will be there for quite sometime, and I wouldn't want any part of it.

Good luck. Live in base regardless, and don't take your work home with you....

What he said....^^^^^^^^^^

 

[DCAA320]

Generally people seeking advice prefer unbiased perspectives. Folks who embroil themselves in affairs not their own, as the good "General Lee" has done, set themselves apart as suspect at reasoned, dispassionate observations and advice.

He has discredited himself. There is no need to answer him.

Amen!!!!!

 

[Turtle21]

Not sure if it has been discussed but with all the rumors of both possibly hiring in the fall which would you choose over the other if both offers were made.

Living in base in IAH or CLT are both fine, age is early to mid 30s, have no kids, spouse can move anywhere, have no debt (or house to sell).

Question is for wife. She is one of thousands of RJ capts looking to move on.

Thoughts?

Get hired by both and toss a coin. :lol: And then go to southwest! (unless you love airbus).

Seriously, pilots love to fly planes and are professionals. They have a good time at work whoever they fly for and only bitch, moan and bicker on message boards, unless they are an ALPA pilot.

 

[Turtle21]

Was it worth it? You clowns are an anchor on the entire profession! Your crap pay affects us all. So, thanks a lot for not honoring your agreements like men and thanks a lot for dragging us all down. And Turtle, it was arbitration not ALPA. Friggin dishonorable whiners.

ALPA had a useful purpose in the distant past but its change of heart that adopted a willingness to allow nearly unrestricted outsourcing has spawned an unending divisive and fractured labor civil war across the profession. The profession has untold numbers of pilots that qualify for food stamps and section 8 housing while others have lump sum retirements that make them millionaires twice over.

And meanwhile we have captains (on RJs) that haven't yet found a satisfactory career and are willing to toss all the advances their seniority provides them in order to start over at the bottom of the ******************** pile called a "major".

And then we have a couple bots selfrighteously babble about honor..

Go fly your plane and enjoy the view wherever you can get hired for the most money. The whiney pilots don't collect your salary :lol:.

 

[charlie2]

Was it worth it? You clowns are an anchor on the entire profession! Your crap pay affects us all. So, thanks a lot for not honoring your agreements like men and thanks a lot for dragging us all down. And Turtle, it was arbitration not ALPA. Friggin dishonorable whiners.

I think you are implying that if we rolled over and just accepted the ALPA arbitration process Parker would have given us huge pay raises. WOW! You must be a new hire at Mesa.

 

[Mamma]

ALPA had a useful purpose in the distant past but its change of heart that adopted a willingness to allow nearly unrestricted outsourcing has spawned an unending divisive and fractured labor civil war across the profession. The profession has untold numbers of pilots that qualify for food stamps and section 8 housing while others have lump sum retirements that make them millionaires twice over.

And meanwhile we have captains (on RJs) that haven't yet found a satisfactory career and are willing to toss all the advances their seniority provides them in order to start over at the bottom of the ******************** pile called a "major".

And then we have a couple bots selfrighteously babble about honor..

Go fly your plane and enjoy the view wherever you can get hired for the most money. The whiney pilots don't collect your salary :lol:.

That's how the chips fell. My pilot group got Kashered.
We moved forward.

 

[Flyer1015]

I think you are implying that if we rolled over and just accepted the ALPA arbitration process

You DID accept the ALPA arbitration process by AGREEING TO BINDING ARBITRATION in the first place! Lets call a spade a spade here.

 

[Turtle21]

You DID accept the ALPA arbitration process by AGREEING TO BINDING ARBITRATION in the first place! Lets call a spade a spade here.

The OP asked where they should work. Instead of droning on about some internal union dispute perhaps you could contribute to the thread with something original... Like... The obvious answer is not to be a pilot but rather to be a pilot's lawyer, especially an ALPA pilots's lawyer. :lol:

 

[charlie2]

You DID accept the ALPA arbitration process by AGREEING TO BINDING ARBITRATION in the first place! Lets call a spade a spade here.

That means we would have big pay now right?

 

[FR8mastr]

You DID accept the ALPA arbitration process by AGREEING TO BINDING ARBITRATION in the first place! Lets call a spade a spade here.

Agreed to binding arbitration under ALPA rules, one of which is no windfall.

Not only did ALPA not set the rules correctly, they were in the midst of a cover up of the MDA debacle. (too long to go into).

This along with many other things led to ALPA's ouster.

Binding will never take effect without being ratified, ALPA or not. It will never be ratified as is.

I know most on here will never listen to any of this because we have a very vocal West group that have been posting here daily for years, and if that is all you see/read, someone without the real background will of course gravitate to that same opinion.

But a little background on the fair, benevolent, and loving West pilots. Long before Nic had published anything, the West pilots official position was to have some MDA pilots REMOVED from the seniority list altogether. That's right removed, not just placed at the bottom. The reason given during testimony? These pilots flew Dash-8's, therefor were not up to the standards of ML pilots. Ironic since a couple of the Dash-8's they flew actually came from AWA.

The point of that little gem, is so that the newer guys on here or maybe guys that don't have the intimate knowledge gained from actually living this situation rather that just reading about it on web posts, might realize that these guys do not actually crap golden terds, and that their rantings just might be a little biased.

 

[charlie2]

Agreed to binding arbitration under ALPA rules, one of which is no windfall.

Not only did ALPA not set the rules correctly, they were in the midst of a cover up of the MDA debacle. (too long to go into).

This along with many other things led to ALPA's ouster.

Binding will never take effect without being ratified, ALPA or not. It will never be ratified as is.

I know most on here will never listen to any of this because we have a very vocal West group that have been posting here daily for years, and if that is all you see/read, someone without the real background will of course gravitate to that same opinion.

But a little background on the fair, benevolent, and loving West pilots. Long before Nic had published anything, the West pilots official position was to have some MDA pilots REMOVED from the seniority list altogether. That's right removed, not just placed at the bottom. The reason given during testimony? These pilots flew Dash-8's, therefor were not up to the standards of ML pilots. Ironic since a couple of the Dash-8's they flew actually came from AWA.

The point of that little gem, is so that the newer guys on here or maybe guys that don't have the intimate knowledge gained from actually living this situation rather that just reading about it on web posts, might realize that these guys do not actually crap golden terds, and that their rantings just might be a little biased.

But they won!!!! How's the nic award working out for you so far? Ya didn't think so.

 

[FR8mastr]

But they won!!!! How's the nic award working out for you so far? Ya didn't think so.

Maybe you have me confused with another poster.

 

[charlie2]

Maybe you have me confused with another poster.

Sorry! I shouldn't have hit the "quote" button. I was just making a statement about the nic and the west.

 

[Bringupthebird]

But a little background on the fair, benevolent, and loving West pilots. Long before Nic had published anything, the West pilots official position was to have some MDA pilots REMOVED from the seniority list altogether. That's right removed, not just placed at the bottom. The reason given during testimony? These pilots flew Dash-8's, therefor were not up to the standards of ML pilots. Ironic since a couple of the Dash-8's they flew actually came from AWA.

Can you supply even a shred of proof to your claim. Didn't think so. Go back to bed.

Get someone to explain J4J to you.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Sorry! I shouldn't have hit the "quote" button. I was just making a statement about the nic and the west.

Are you Skiles, looking for the right button?

 

[airksk]

Tell her to go to the first place that hires her. United, USAirways, Delta, Southwest, UPS, FedEx. Just go. Figure it out later. Don't turn down a job hoping for a "better" one, since 10, 20 years from now the "better" one might be completely different.

Although the East vs West crapola does get old.

 

[79%N1]

Go with United. USAirways has some REALLY ugly uniforms! : )