Congratulations to the CAL boys

[zonker]

CAL FO 1st year pay = $31/hour.

No medical insurance for your first 6 months.

CAL is doing lots of good for this job...

A guy from Jetblue is taking shots at the CAL contract. :laugh:

Now CAL definitely has some room for improvement, but one thing management can't do is unilaterally impose work rules and pay rates on the pilot group like they do at B6. We have to be dumb enough to vote yes.

 

[Pat Fabin]

"Wait until our 08 contract...then you'll see!" Yeah...in 2010 when you sign your 2008 contract it'll still suck and you'll still be behind everyone else.... same place you've generally been for 20+ years.

CAL sucks...and your SCAB/SCAB coddling army will ensure it stays that way.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

"Wait until our 08 contract...then you'll see!" Yeah...in 2010 when you sign your 2008 contract it'll still suck and you'll still be behind everyone else.... same place you've generally been for 20+ years.

CAL sucks...and your SCAB/SCAB coddling army will ensure it stays that way.

You know what you are a real a@@ hole. How about have the balls to post your name when you take shots anonymously from behind your computer. I know you are to much of a pu$$y to do so.

Jayson Baron
EWR B756 CA

 

[MINIME]

You forget that by that time Scabs will be less of an issue. So....new, strong MEC blood, new people that know what a bad deal is when they see one. Plus the eagerness and will of the pilot group to fight. I think it's fair to say that CAL will get its due.

Instead of the bitterness, why not support them instead? C'mmon people, get with the program! It's not pilot against pilot. It's Management against pilot! CAL wins....we all win. It's as simple as that!

 

[flygirlqt]

CAL sucks...and your SCAB/SCAB coddling army will ensure it stays that way.

What you dickheads did to our EAL brothers during their strike was just as heinous as scabbing.

You are typical of the double breasted a-hole mentality over there. Maybe another bankruptcy and some more paycuts will change your tune?

 

[flygirlqt]

A guy from Jetblue is taking shots at the CAL contract. :laugh:

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So true.

 

[flygirlqt]

CAL is doing lots of good for this job...

Food for thought:

http://online.wsj.com/public/articl...Rp24oo0PKMJ3E7z0O7juc_20061030.html?mod=blogs

I'd mention the part about the Embraer pay scales, 5 year contracts and that whole cleaning issue but I guess that is why people are leaving Blue for CAL today. Even with our crappy first year pay and benefits .
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[catIIIc]

"Wait until our 08 contract...then you'll see!" Yeah...in 2010 when you sign your 2008 contract it'll still suck and you'll still be behind everyone else.... same place you've generally been for 20+ years.

CAL sucks...and your SCAB/SCAB coddling army will ensure it stays that way.

Usually with this much hate there are much deeper issues, if it makes him feel better to go on a anomyous message board spout off so be it, maybe mommy did not love him enough, and daddy loved him to much who knows but he has some serious anger issues or a little man complex.

Pat no matter how much you hate us you will still be an unhappy and small man.

 

[acbarney]

Not sure how that explanation makes the issue any less rediculous. The manager who wrote the first memo worked for Continental, right? Someone put that manager in a position to write such memos, correct? That's the culture they grow there... like the rest of the mold in Houston.

I purposefully made no inference as to the ridiculousness of the situation. I just presented the facts. It is up to the individual to infer their own meaning.

My take on it...
1. Yes it's ridiculous that the situation even came up.

2. I'm glad my union leadership nipped it in the bud.

3. The deeper we get into negotiations, the more distractions will be "made up" by management...stay tuned.

 

[Pat Fabin]

Hey guys, prove me wrong in 2008 and I'll be the first to congratulate you on elevating CAL and supporting the rest of the profession. Until then its all rhetoric and bag tag stickers.

Have a nice day.

 

[Palomino]

I purposefully made no inference as to the ridiculousness of the situation. I just presented the facts. It is up to the individual to infer their own meaning.

My take on it...
1. Yes it's ridiculous that the situation even came up.

2. I'm glad my union leadership nipped it in the bud.

3. The deeper we get into negotiations, the more distractions will be "made up" by management...stay tuned.

right on target

 

[zonker]

Hey guys, prove me wrong in 2008 and I'll be the first to congratulate you on elevating CAL and supporting the rest of the profession. Until then its all rhetoric and bag tag stickers.

Have a nice day.

No you won't. You'll still be a gutless turd posting on message boards.

Say it in the hotel van sometime. I'd love to hear it.

 

[BID]

Hey guys, prove me wrong in 2008 and I'll be the first to congratulate you on elevating CAL and supporting the rest of the profession. Until then its all rhetoric and bag tag stickers.

Have a nice day.

This is why we are working on a great contract to have the Pat Fabins and Poconos of the world congratulate us. Please

CAL EWR B737, this guy will never come out and back up his comments, neither will Pocono. They like to hide behind a wall as they throw out the insults. Why all the hate brother?

Not to rag on UAL, but have you seen what they pay there? Do you get per diem during training, how about a hotel? At least at CAL you do. What about DAL, do they pay for your hotel after indoc? And the pension lump sums at DAL how are they working out? Look there are many trade offs and yes not having insurance for 6 months sucks, but once you get it the policies are really quite good.

But I think I am wasting my time, you have made up your mind about CAL. I on the other hand see so many changes on the horizon for this airline, and they are good ones.

but you, well you have it all figured out!

Just curious, but who do you work for?

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Hey guys, prove me wrong in 2008 and I'll be the first to congratulate you on elevating CAL and supporting the rest of the profession. Until then its all rhetoric and bag tag stickers.

Have a nice day.

Just what I thought you are PU$$Y! You can't even post your name to back up your words. What are you afraid of? You just lost all of your credibility on this forum.

Your diatribe above just more deflection so you don't have to answer my question regarding your name.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

but you, well you have it all figured out!

Just curious, but who do you work for?

CAL EWR B756 CA

CAL ALPA SPSC Strike Preparedness Chairman, recent Membership Committee Member/Volunteer

 

[BID]

Sorry I was not clear with my post, I am curious who Pat Fabin works for.

 

[ACWild]

Sorry I was not clear with my post, I am curious who Pat Fabin works for.

From the way he writes, he works for the perfect airline that is upholding the profession for the rest of us. I can't think of any that fit in that category.

 

[flygirlqt]

From the way he writes, he works for the perfect airline that is upholding the profession for the rest of us. I can't think of any that fit in that category.

Searching his posts, I surmised the little worthless inoperable tool works for Delta.

My father was a rEAL Eastern pilot who watched hundreds of those Delta opportunists fly extra section after extra section on Eastern's routes when he was on strike. An opportunist in my book is also of scab like qualities.

Fabin, clean out your own closets over there before you cast stones. Once it is cleaned let's talk about what you all did to Pan Am.

 

[aa73]

Once it is cleaned let's talk about what you all did to Pan Am.

what did DL do to Pan Am? didn't they buy the Atlantic division, aircraft and Airbus pilots?

 

[Bob Dylan]

The next pilot with a kidney stone at CAL should have his lawyer send CAL legal a letter.

To even consider denying the cockpit crew unlimited water is borderline criminal.

The middle manager ACP who wrote the memo needs to be removed.

I doubt the CALALPA union would support this though. Which is sad but true.

 

[BigMeat]

The next pilot with a kidney stone at CAL should have his lawyer send CAL legal a letter.

To even consider denying the cockpit crew unlimited water is borderline criminal.

The middle manager ACP who wrote the memo needs to be removed.

I doubt the CALALPA union would support this though. Which is sad but true.

They never denied cockpit crew water. They just wanted the Captain to sign for it. Which is still very wrong. As for the rest of you legacy carriers pissing about CAL, you guys need to worry about those 70 and 90 seat RJs that are coming your way. Especially Northwest. Thanks for bringing our industry Compass. Jetblue? no comment.

 

[Bob Dylan]

They never denied cockpit crew water. They just wanted the Captain to sign for it.

It's still intimidation and harassment as far as I'm concerned. But if it makes you feel better, defend it however you want.

 

[BigMeat]

It's still intimidation and harassment as far as I'm concerned. But if it makes you feel better, defend it however you want.

Im not defending it all. As you can read above I said that it is very wrong to ask for justification for water.

 

[EWR_FO]

It's still intimidation and harassment as far as I'm concerned. But if it makes you feel better, defend it however you want.

In some international stations the captain signs for fuel, deicing, hotel vans, etc. It's just a scribble on a piece of paper. I am hoping this didn't discourage anyone from getting more water, this was primarily a domestic issue, but unfortunately there is always a weak dick captain somewhere.

 

[densoo]

They never denied cockpit crew water. They just wanted the Captain to sign for it.

If they require you to sign to go to the bathroom, are they discouraging it? "Oh, my, no." But what the heck are they trying to say to the pilot group to add a hoop to a bodily function (like drinking water) that everyone takes for granted? Yes, they're trying to discourage it. Why? Who the heck knows.

 

[BigMeat]

If they require you to sign to go to the bathroom, are they discouraging it? "Oh, my, no." But what the heck are they trying to say to the pilot group to add a hoop to a bodily function (like drinking water) that everyone takes for granted? Yes, they're trying to discourage it. Why? Who the heck knows.

Yes I agree. I know what they are trying to do. Save a few goddam pennies and undermine captains authority. If I remember correctly the Alaska pilots the same kind of problem with this several years ago.
Now that we have held onto our water lets do the same with our scope.

 

[densoo]

Yes I agree. I know what they are trying to do. Save a few goddam pennies and undermine captains authority. If I remember correctly the Alaska pilots the same kind of problem with this several years ago.
Now that we have held onto our water lets do the same with our scope.

The reponse to this petty requirement should have been this: on every single flight order bottles "to sign for" from ops. A couple of captains I've flown with do this now. They ask for and sign for a bottle of water for each crew member for each leg they fly, every single day they fly. There's water everywhere.

If the company's position is "it is no problem to get water, we just want you to sign for it" then fine, turn it around and order bottle for each crew x 1000 legs per day. No problem, right? Thank you very much.

This should have been the union's formal response.* The company would have promptly rescinded the letter completely and learned a valuable lesson going into negotiations: if you're going to play games with the pilot group, then expect games back from the pilot group. And these games will cost you money.

*This would not have violated RLA "established" behavior regarding the contract. It could have been done.

 

[ClubORD]

The reponse to this petty requirement should have been this: on every single flight order bottles "to sign for" from ops. A couple of captains I've flown with do this now. They ask for and sign for a bottle of water for each crew member for each leg they fly, every single day they fly. There's water everywhere.

If the company's position is "it is no problem to get water, we just want you to sign for it" then fine, turn it around and order bottle for each crew x 1000 legs per day. No problem, right? Thank you very much.

This should have been the union's formal response.* The company would have promptly rescinded the letter completely and learned a valuable lesson going into negotiations: if you're going to play games with the pilot group, then expect games back from the pilot group. And these games will cost you money.

*This would not have violated RLA "established" behavior regarding the contract. It could have been done.

That's exactly what we are doing. I have more water flowing in (and out) of me than ever before. Can we put this issue to rest now?