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lineflyer1

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To all of you union boys who vote in lousy pay and rules at the regionals. Congrats!

Another low paying career is evolving in this country and you boys are making it happen. What was a great career is truning into a slave labor industry. Low pay, crappy work rules, time away from home and family.

Keep applying to Gojets, Colgan, Republic, Pinnacle,etc.

The I gotta fly at all costs so when I turn 50 and secure a captains seat at a major airline so I can finally earn a good salary is working out just fine.
 

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To all of you union boys who vote in lousy pay and rules at the regionals. Congrats!

Another low paying career is evolving in this country and you boys are making it happen. What was a great career is truning into a slave labor industry. Low pay, crappy work rules, time away from home and family.

Keep applying to Gojets, Colgan, Republic, Pinnacle,etc.

The I gotta fly at all costs so when I turn 50 and secure a captains seat at a major airline so I can finally earn a good salary is working out just fine.

Well I see in your profile that you just to be a Regional fellow Pilot!!! I mean ATR, E145...hmmm I'm guessing AE, but I guess since you're in the majors now you're above us, you're special, your shet dont stinck!!!

Any way to awnser your post.....Let me congratulate you, since you where one of us...

P.S: Keep giving your "SCOPE" away, Ill be parking my new B737-800 next to your B737-200 POS...mista mainline!!!
 

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To all of you union boys who vote in lousy pay and rules at the regionals. Congrats!

Another low paying career is evolving in this country and you boys are making it happen. What was a great career is truning into a slave labor industry. Low pay, crappy work rules, time away from home and family.

Keep applying to Gojets, Colgan, Republic, Pinnacle,etc.

The I gotta fly at all costs so when I turn 50 and secure a captains seat at a major airline so I can finally earn a good salary is working out just fine.

Who do you work for now? Where did you fly the ATR and E145? Where did you fly the 737? How much did you make as a CFII?
 

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MGMT has it all figured out. You make 12k as a CFII so you will gladly make the jump to 18k at the regional.

It is time for tire irons, basball bats and 5 minute educations.
 

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MGMT has it all figured out. You make 12k as a CFII so you will gladly make the jump to 18k at the regional.

It is time for tire irons, basball bats and 5 minute educations.

...and then gladly make the jump to CAL for 30K and no health insurance to fly a 737...SJS comes in different forms...
 

rjacobs

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I think this guys a bit late to the party, this ********************s been going on for DECADES, not really a news worthy event.
 

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I think this guys a bit late to the party, this ********************s been going on for DECADES, not really a news worthy event.

Not really, flying at a regional meant just that. Flying a turbo prop within a region. Regional flying used to be such a small part of airline operations.

Now your low paying regional flying jobs, fly mainline routes and now fly 50% of the flights in this country and is dragging the majors pay right down with it. The great major job that all of you are working crap wages to attain is quickly dissappearing.

Rgional flying used to encompass 10% of the flights in this country so you had very good odds that you would have a great flying job at a major ahead of you. Not so much now.

Even the good regional companies pilots are fighting for their careers due to the onslauught of the Mesa's,Gojets, Republic, Colgan, etc.

Just look at Comair, Expressjet, ASA, American Eagle. They have all reversed the trend of better career progression due to the bottom feeders mentioned above. As time goes on the lowest bidder will win, majors will turn more flying over to the lowest bidder,there will be fewer jobs at the majors and those jobs that are there won't even come close to being what they were. I predict that 75% of the domestic flights will be flown by regional airlines in the not too distant future.

So keep voting in contracts with $18k to $60k payrates and soon the jobs will be filled with people who love to fly but have to live in the parking lot at the airport. Keep voting in crappy contracts just so you can gain experience so you can get to that major airline someday with a crappy contract itself.
 
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lineflyer1

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Well I see in your profile that you just to be a Regional fellow Pilot!!! I mean ATR, E145...hmmm I'm guessing AE, but I guess since you're in the majors now you're above us, you're special, your shet dont stinck!!!

Any way to awnser your post.....Let me congratulate you, since you where one of us...

P.S: Keep giving your "SCOPE" away, Ill be parking my new B737-800 next to your B737-200 POS...mista mainline!!!

and you will flying that 737-800 for 95k a year!
 

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While I have to agree that you're a few years too late with this thread, I also have to agree.
As long as ALPO keeps putting crap contracts on the table for the pilots to vote on...because we all know "it's the best we can get right now!"....the industry will continue to get worse for you regional guys.
When will ALPO wake up and see that the regionals are doing more flying for their mainline carriers than their mainline does for themselves. Regional guys do 4-7 take off and landins a day, opposed to 2 MAYBE 3 that the mainline guys do.
There are more regional ALPA members than mainline, yet ALPO believes that regional pilots are 1/3 the price of a mainline guy.
Do yourselves a favor and vote ALPO off the property
 

PeanuckleCRJ

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...and then gladly make the jump to CAL for 30K and no health insurance to fly a 737...SJS comes in different forms...

Last I checked, that's year 1 pay... how about your year 1 FO pay?
 

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While I have to agree that you're a few years too late with this thread, I also have to agree.
As long as ALPO keeps putting crap contracts on the table for the pilots to vote on...because we all know "it's the best we can get right now!"....the industry will continue to get worse for you regional guys.
When will ALPO wake up and see that the regionals are doing more flying for their mainline carriers than their mainline does for themselves. Regional guys do 4-7 take off and landins a day, opposed to 2 MAYBE 3 that the mainline guys do.
There are more regional ALPA members than mainline, yet ALPO believes that regional pilots are 1/3 the price of a mainline guy.
Do yourselves a favor and vote ALPO off the property

It's never too late if it is still apropriate. Regional pilots vote in whatever is laid in front of them. The exception being Comair.

They remind of the flight instructors that would walk into the flight school looking for a CFI job and they willing to work for free just to gain experience.

Now I know I'm steroetyping here, but I know too many regioanl pilots are not willing to vote no on a contract because they don't want to risk having their company go under or lose flying to another airline.

They will work for little of nothing just to get that experience. All they want is to gain experience fast so they can apply to a major airline as quickly as possible. Trouble is, by voting in crappy contracts, the regionals as well as the majors are destroying the career.
 

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MGMT has it all figured out. You make 12k as a CFII so you will gladly make the jump to 18k at the regional.

It is time for tire irons, basball bats and 5 minute educations.
Nice :) Lot of educating to do though how about knocking it down to 4 minutes?
 

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Lineflyer is exactly on the money here.

There are a few on these forums that understand this, and have some good ideas, but the days of a Comair group of pilots with the solidarity, experience and courage to do what needs to be done are long gone.
 

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They will work for little of nothing just to get that experience. All they want is to gain experience fast so they can apply to a major airline as quickly as possible. Trouble is, by voting in crappy contracts, the regionals as well as the majors are destroying the career.

This is all because ALPA hasn't figured out how a real Union works.
You have guys flying the CRJ200 at airline ABC making $35/hr and then guys flying the same airplane at XYZ airlines for $15/hr.
By doing this, ALPO is helping the airlines whipsaw each other.....but who said that ALPO was really looking out for the commuter airlines best interest? FYI, I'm sick of hearing the term "Regional Airlines" ...That's nothing but a PC term for "Commuter Airline".
 

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HEy my thoughts are that as long as the top guys at the majors are making a lot of money I am happy. Why is this guy complaining, the union is only doing what it has traditionally done! Kidding
 

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It's never too late if it is still apropriate. Regional pilots vote in whatever is laid in front of them. The exception being Comair.

They remind of the flight instructors that would walk into the flight school looking for a CFI job and they willing to work for free just to gain experience.

Now I know I'm steroetyping here, but I know too many regioanl pilots are not willing to vote no on a contract because they don't want to risk having their company go under or lose flying to another airline.

They will work for little of nothing just to get that experience. All they want is to gain experience fast so they can apply to a major airline as quickly as possible. Trouble is, by voting in crappy contracts, the regionals as well as the majors are destroying the career.

The bold statement is flat out wrong. There are no exceptions. I remember about 4 years ago when the Comair pilots voluntarily voted for a pay freeze to get airplanes that they never saw. The pay freeze stood though.
 

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EFCA dead issue

MGMT has it all figured out. You make 12k as a CFII so you will gladly make the jump to 18k at the regional.

It is time for tire irons, basball bats and 5 minute educations.
Can't do that now to enhance membership, EFCA is now a dead issue in congress.
 

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good money

and you will flying that 737-800 for 95k a year!
whats wrong with $95K, it is in the upper 15% of all wage earners in the US, and something you don't even need a college degree to get the job.
 
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