Congrats Go Jets

[FishandFly]

Is that your plan? Will you be turning in your 2 week notice?

Is there a way to get younger?

 

[Clutch]

Is there a way to get younger?

What are you talking about, tard?

 

[FishandFly]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 777forever
Spot on fellas!

ASA/XJT/SKW is screwed. Even Air Mekong cut back 1 plane. Our cost structure blows up the regional model and no paycut will fix it. If youre a younger guy, I would wait to see who takes the rest of our planes and abandon ship

Is that your plan? Will you be turning in your 2 week notice?


nevermind

 

[WayBack]

In this tough economy and hard times in the industry, we at ALPA can just ask you to keep paying your dues. Otherwise will try and have you fired. Good Day.

 

[ualdriver]

You know, I have been reading the ALPA bashers, particularly Joe Merchant blame this recent wrinkle on ALPA, but let me ask you this....isn't this just plain old competition between companies providing a service? Let me explain.

For example, United and Delta fly mainline flights between ORD and ATL with mainline aircraft. Is it ALPA's fault that it "allows" such competition between two ALPA carriers? How about when you have an undercutting non-union carrier like Virgin America competing against UAL out of SFO. Is that ALPA's fault too?

Look, we all have to deal with competition, including competition from crappy, undercutting airlines. That unfortunately is part of the biz. Regional airlines are no different. The regionals are not special. You're going to have to compete against POS carriers just like the mainline, and unfortunately you're going to sustain some wounds. If you don't like the competition, get a government job.

Guys like Joe are just scared because that 18 day off a month, 6 figure job that they have been bragging about on this very forum are now at risk. Just as the mainline guys have had to take significant pay cuts in order to compete with the low cost competition like Frontier, Valujet, JetBlue, etc., unfortunately I think RJ guys, in particular guys like Joe who make out sized salaries are going to start feeling some pain, and they need someome to blame.

Sorry Joe, it isn't ALPA hurting you. It is the same low ball, undercutting airlines that we have had to deal with particularly painfully in the past 15 years that are hurting you. If anyone at ASA needs to take a hit, it is guys like you, not a $20K/year F/O.

 

[CX880]

You know, I have been reading the ALPA bashers, particularly Joe Merchant blame this recent wrinkle on ALPA, but let me ask you this....isn't this just plain old competition between companies providing a service? Let me explain.

For example, United and Delta fly mainline flights between ORD and ATL with mainline aircraft. Is it ALPA's fault that it "allows" such competition between two ALPA carriers? How about when you have an undercutting non-union carrier like Virgin America competing against UAL out of SFO. Is that ALPA's fault too?

Look, we all have to deal with competition, including competition from crappy, undercutting airlines. That unfortunately is part of the biz. Regional airlines are no different. The regionals are not special. You're going to have to compete against POS carriers just like the mainline, and unfortunately you're going to sustain some wounds. If you don't like the competition, get a government job.

Guys like Joe are just scared because that 18 day off a month, 6 figure job that they have been bragging about on this very forum are now at risk. Just as the mainline guys have had to take significant pay cuts in order to compete with the low cost competition like Frontier, Valujet, JetBlue, etc., unfortunately I think RJ guys, in particular guys like Joe who make out sized salaries are going to start feeling some pain, and they need someome to blame.

Sorry Joe, it isn't ALPA hurting you. It is the same low ball, undercutting airlines that we have had to deal with particularly painfully in the past 15 years that are hurting you. If anyone at ASA needs to take a hit, it is guys like you, not a $20K/year F/O.

They're saying ALPA created Gojets.

 

[rene]

Joe,

Any reason why Delta would be placing more than one Regional per hub? Can you think of a reason?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Its an easy answer. The same answer to the question. Why do they have 100 bus companies in London? So no one company has too much leverage? It is also the same reason no one regional airline controls all the gorund handling. Mesaba made this point loud and clear during the NWA bankrupcy when they almost shut down MSP and DTW, and it is why Delta started Regional Elite...... How much less are you willing to work for?

 

[nerjdriver]

I'm sick over the fact that we are shrinking again and we have no attrition. It's kind of hard to get on with a career airline without turbine PIC. That may change in a few years, but you'll forgive me if I worry about being trapped at the next Comair.

It's okay. We'll just block any JCBA proposal to force the SLI to never happen.

Whoops!

 

[BoilerUP]

They're saying ALPA created Gojets.

Anybody who says that wrong...and a fool and a moron who doesn't know the backstory of Hulas, TSA, TSA ALPA contract neogitations, APA scope, etc etc.

 

[WayBack]

You know, I have been reading the ALPA bashers, particularly Joe Merchant blame this recent wrinkle on ALPA, but let me ask you this....isn't this just plain old competition between companies providing a service? Let me explain.

For example, United and Delta fly mainline flights between ORD and ATL with mainline aircraft. Is it ALPA's fault that it "allows" such competition between two ALPA carriers? How about when you have an undercutting non-union carrier like Virgin America competing against UAL out of SFO. Is that ALPA's fault too?

Look, we all have to deal with competition, including competition from crappy, undercutting airlines. That unfortunately is part of the biz. Regional airlines are no different. The regionals are not special. You're going to have to compete against POS carriers just like the mainline, and unfortunately you're going to sustain some wounds. If you don't like the competition, get a government job.

Guys like Joe are just scared because that 18 day off a month, 6 figure job that they have been bragging about on this very forum are now at risk. Just as the mainline guys have had to take significant pay cuts in order to compete with the low cost competition like Frontier, Valujet, JetBlue, etc., unfortunately I think RJ guys, in particular guys like Joe who make out sized salaries are going to start feeling some pain, and they need someome to blame.

Sorry Joe, it isn't ALPA hurting you. It is the same low ball, undercutting airlines that we have had to deal with particularly painfully in the past 15 years that are hurting you. If anyone at ASA needs to take a hit, it is guys like you, not a $20K/year F/O.

I'll keep it short and sweet.
It's ALPA representing both the mainline and regional's....those same regional's who are flying mainline routes (3-4 hour legs shouldn't be done in an RJ) for cheaper wages than mainline pilots. On top of it ALPA is representing the regionals who are undercutting each other to do the flying for cheaper.
As long as the regionals keep flying bigger and bigger airplanes, they're going to be putting themselves out of jobs at the mainlines.
Yet ALPA (nationals and local) does nothing to stop the larger air frames from coming to the regional property.

 

[waka]

Congrats on the new flying! It looks like being a scumbag alter ego 70 seat airline flying at 50 seat pay rates has paid off for you. You guys are something else. Keep it up. Being the new cancer in the regional world really takes the focus off of Mesa...

You're WAY behind the curve. GoJet's beginnings was alter ego, but now they are no different than any other regional airline. Slow on the uptake and don't keep up very well do ya?

 

[waka]

You know, I have been reading the ALPA bashers, particularly Joe Merchant blame this recent wrinkle on ALPA, but let me ask you this....isn't this just plain old competition between companies providing a service? Let me explain.

For example, United and Delta fly mainline flights between ORD and ATL with mainline aircraft. Is it ALPA's fault that it "allows" such competition between two ALPA carriers? How about when you have an undercutting non-union carrier like Virgin America competing against UAL out of SFO. Is that ALPA's fault too?

Look, we all have to deal with competition, including competition from crappy, undercutting airlines. That unfortunately is part of the biz. Regional airlines are no different. The regionals are not special. You're going to have to compete against POS carriers just like the mainline, and unfortunately you're going to sustain some wounds. If you don't like the competition, get a government job.

Guys like Joe are just scared because that 18 day off a month, 6 figure job that they have been bragging about on this very forum are now at risk. Just as the mainline guys have had to take significant pay cuts in order to compete with the low cost competition like Frontier, Valujet, JetBlue, etc., unfortunately I think RJ guys, in particular guys like Joe who make out sized salaries are going to start feeling some pain, and they need someome to blame.

Sorry Joe, it isn't ALPA hurting you. It is the same low ball, undercutting airlines that we have had to deal with particularly painfully in the past 15 years that are hurting you. If anyone at ASA needs to take a hit, it is guys like you, not a $20K/year F/O.

Wow! No offense, but you're really clueless. As long as the good ol' boys club at ALPA has a 2 tiered system, they don't benefit the industry one bit.

I would rather have a real union than an association representing me.

 

[Full of LUV]

I'll keep it short and sweet.
It's ALPA representing both the mainline and regional's....those same regional's who are flying mainline routes (3-4 hour legs shouldn't be done in an RJ) for cheaper wages than mainline pilots. On top of it ALPA is representing the regionals who are undercutting each other to do the flying for cheaper.
As long as the regionals keep flying bigger and bigger airplanes, they're going to be putting themselves out of jobs at the mainlines.
Yet ALPA (nationals and local) does nothing to stop the larger air frames from coming to the regional property.

You do realize that ALPA National is just an association and each individual MEC at each company is actually the union and bargining agent right?
ALPA National is sort of like AFLCIO, they don't negotiate anything, just support the MEC's with resources to negotiate compentently.
There needs to be some sort of national "MIN" floor of compensation set up by national in order to be considered part of the association and what ever benes that could provide, but up to now, alpa national has definitely been too interested in capturing enough of the pilots to make any sort of strategy, especially one that may alienate any particular pilot groups.

 

[johnpeace]

Is truckmasters still in business?

No, but everyone needs a database...check out databaseprogrammingmasters.

 

[ualdriver]

I'll keep it short and sweet.
It's ALPA representing both the mainline and regional's....those same regional's who are flying mainline routes (3-4 hour legs shouldn't be done in an RJ) for cheaper wages than mainline pilots. On top of it ALPA is representing the regionals who are undercutting each other to do the flying for cheaper.
As long as the regionals keep flying bigger and bigger airplanes, they're going to be putting themselves out of jobs at the mainlines.
Yet ALPA (nationals and local) does nothing to stop the larger air frames from coming to the regional property.

Got it. The problem is RJ pilots flying these routes for crap wages and undercutting mainline pilots. And the solution to that problem is to kick the regionals out of ALPA, and let them negotiate higher wages WITHOUT the extensive resources ALPA brings to the negotiating table. Or better yet, let them go unrepresented by any union and let them try to obtain higher wages on their own. Sounds like a good idea to me.