Congrats Go Jets

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Congrats on the new flying! It looks like being a scumbag alter ego 70 seat airline flying at 50 seat pay rates has paid off for you. You guys are something else. Keep it up. Being the new cancer in the regional world really takes the focus off of Mesa...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Congrats on the new flying! It looks like being a scumbag alter ego 70 seat airline flying at 50 seat pay rates has paid off for you. You guys are something else. Keep it up. Being the new cancer in the regional world really takes the focus off of Mesa...

Your placing your anger in the wrong direction...If you want to blame someone, blame ALPA and Delta.....We are all competing for each others jobs because of this...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Your placing your anger in the wrong direction...If you want to blame someone, blame ALPA and Delta.....We are all competing for each others jobs because of this...

I'm not a big fan of Joe's posts on here, but I have to agree with him. We're all being forced to undercut each other every time a contract is set to expire.

Where/When does it stop???????

 

[777forever]

I'm not a big fan of Joe's posts on here, but I have to agree with him. We're all being forced to undercut each other every time a contract is set to expire.

Where/When does it stop???????

It never stops...ASA will never be able to fix it's cost problem. I have a sick feeling this is just the start

 

[Axel]

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[JoeMerchant]

I'm not a big fan of Joe's posts on here, but I have to agree with him. We're all being forced to undercut each other every time a contract is set to expire.

Where/When does it stop???????

Stifler, this is the point. We complain about management being short sighted, but we are even more short sighted. Remember that these 12 airplanes just came from Comair....I don't remember the tears from ASA pilots when these airplanes left CMR and CMR pilots were furloughed and downgraded...Now we are going to suffer the same fate...

Nobody paid any attention to the crumbling foundation...Now everyone's pissed that the house is falling down...

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I've heard from some United guys that place is really a disfigured cow pie.

 

[damnflyboy]

I've heard from some United guys that place is really a disfigured cow pie.

This place being GoJet or ASA?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

GoJet dude. Gojet.

 

[Jetjockey]

It's the great regional feed merry-go-round. Just one big zero sum game. It won't be fixed until mainline has all the flying on ONE list. ALPA needs to figure out how to protect the regional ALPA pilots, and get flying under one list.

 

[centralpilot]

It's the great regional feed merry-go-round. Just one big zero sum game. It won't be fixed until mainline has all the flying on ONE list.

So never then?

 

[CX880]

You guys do realize that you work for the lowest bidder right? The whole point is to get your time and move on. Regional flying gets passed around. You're not supposed to get sick over the fact that your lowest bidder didn't get the latest shinny RJ with 87 seats or first class, get a life. How much as skywest and company plundered last few years?

 

[centralpilot]

You're not supposed to get sick over the fact that your lowest bidder didn't get the latest shinny RJ with 87 seats or first class, get a life.

I'm sick over the fact that we are shrinking again and we have no attrition. It's kind of hard to get on with a career airline without turbine PIC. That may change in a few years, but you'll forgive me if I worry about being trapped at the next Comair.

 

[damnflyboy]

Congrats on the new flying! It looks like being a scumbag alter ego 70 seat airline flying at 50 seat pay rates has paid off for you. You guys are something else. Keep it up. Being the new cancer in the regional world really takes the focus off of Mesa...

I did research, and this is all I could find. I found it in the UrbanDictionary:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gojet

Is this accurate? I don't know much about them.

 

[comrcap]

Bornhorst again forgets his roots. But he'll sacrifice Comair if it gets him a tee time with Anderson. I'll bet he shops for his wife's Anniversary gift at Wal Mart.

 

[restart]

Your placing your anger in the wrong direction...If you want to blame someone, blame ALPA and Delta.....We are all competing for each others jobs because of this...

I do blame ALPA and I do blame Delta. I also blame Obama and this tough economy. I also blame spineless jerkoff non ALPA alter ego fly for less than regional standard hoser pilots who are leading this race to the bottom by flying for these cum stain operations. Have you seen their pay rates? I don't even dare to read the rest of their contract.

 

[centralpilot]

I did research, and this is all I could find. I found it in the UrbanDictionary:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gojet

Is this accurate? I don't know much about them.

That about sums it up I'd say.

 

[General Lee]

Your placing your anger in the wrong direction...If you want to blame someone, blame ALPA and Delta.....We are all competing for each others jobs because of this...

Joe,

Any reason why Delta would be placing more than one Regional per hub? Can you think of a reason?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[damnflyboy]

Joe,

Any reason why Delta would be placing more than one Regional per hub? Can you think of a reason?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Oh! Oh! I can!

It's amazing how Delta was able to bypass the unified voice of a unionized carrier by creating "multiple employees" (by means of multiple regional...now national carriers, union or not).

Capitalism found a way.

 

[nerjdriver]

It never stops...ASA will never be able to fix it's cost problem. I have a sick feeling this is just the start

It's not a cost problem. It is a MANAGEMENT PROBLEM. These people don't get it. DO NOT let them get you into thinking you need to help out and give some money to help the cost problem. Look where that got XJT.

Fly your contract and go home. This place isn't worth it.

 

[BrickTop]

ALPA needs to figure out how to protect the regional ALPA pilots, and get flying under one list.

ALPA couldn't protect a cup of warm piss with a Bunsen burner. #### ALPA

 

[JustaNumber]

It's not a cost problem. It is a MANAGEMENT PROBLEM. These people don't get it. DO NOT let them get you into thinking you need to help out and give some money to help the cost problem. Look where that got XJT.

Fly your contract and go home. This place isn't worth it.

No, I believe it's a structural problem built into the industry, created by ALPA. It was ALPA who originally agreed to RJ outsourcing, the ultimate pilot B-scale, in order to subsidize the higher pay of the "major" pilots. It was ALPA who didn't try to put the cat back in the bag in 2000 when they had an opportunity to push for a DAL/CMR/ASA merge. It was also ALPA that created the longevity pay-scale concept that prevents good pilots from leaving bad airlines. This is the only industry where experienced professionals are not valued across company lines.

This is not a problem management can fix. The seniority system inherently creates higher-cost airlines as time progresses, so that more recently created airlines have a distinct cost advantage. A 10 year old airline will almost always be able to outbid a 30 year old airline. Pilots get caught in the middle of this ponzi scheme, and it is pure luck if you can make it through your career without your job and barely liveable pay being pulled out from underneath you, forcing you to start over at the bottom yet again. All for the purpose of continuing to subsidize those at the very top of the pyramid.

The worst thing is, there's almost no way of transitioning to a more stable system. So we have to keep relying on luck to protect our own personal careers.

 

[JoeMerchant]

No, I believe it's a structural problem built into the industry, created by ALPA. It was ALPA who originally agreed to RJ outsourcing, the ultimate pilot B-scale, in order to subsidize the higher pay of the "major" pilots. It was ALPA who didn't try to put the cat back in the bag in 2000 when they had an opportunity to push for a DAL/CMR/ASA merge. It was also ALPA that created the longevity pay-scale concept that prevents good pilots from leaving bad airlines. This is the only industry where experienced professionals are not valued across company lines.

This is not a problem management can fix. The seniority system inherently creates higher-cost airlines as time progresses, so that more recently created airlines have a distinct cost advantage. A 10 year old airline will almost always be able to outbid a 30 year old airline. Pilots get caught in the middle of this ponzi scheme, and it is pure luck if you can make it through your career without your job and barely liveable pay being pulled out from underneath you, forcing you to start over at the bottom yet again. All for the purpose of continuing to subsidize those at the very top of the pyramid.

The worst thing is, there's almost no way of transitioning to a more stable system. So we have to keep relying on luck to protect our own personal careers.

BINGO....100% correct sir...Well stated!

 

[COOPERVANE]

Is truckmasters still in business?

 

[FishandFly]

Rocket Science..

Hey GoJet guys, how senior is your pilot group?

We have a seniority list filled with guys who have been here since the 80's all making well over 100k on our 18 year payscale.

If GoJet is able to keep it's pilots happy enough to stay onboard at their current benefits and payscale while we do the same at an additional $30-40 per hour I guess it makes sense that we have been outbid.


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I guess this is how the majors feel when ASA takes their routes.

 

[Flyer1015]

Anger over GoJets is really directed at the wrong group. It isn't the GoJet pilots who are responsible for this. It is ALPA and greedy management. But ALPA is a big player that deserves the blame for a lot of this. Hulas Koolaid-nas and his management cronies did try to see if ALPA could come up with something agreeable for the bigger RJs. ALPA, overconfident and flexing their muslces, tried to play a game of hardball and it failed. It also bit them in the a$$. GoJets is actually a by-product of an ALPA failure. And, in one of life's little ironies, became the same place that ALPA sanctioned to send its furloughed pilots from United.

 

[i fly boxes]

Ok does anyone have a official release on this? I can't find anything

 

[777forever]

No, I believe it's a structural problem built into the industry, created by ALPA. It was ALPA who originally agreed to RJ outsourcing, the ultimate pilot B-scale, in order to subsidize the higher pay of the "major" pilots. It was ALPA who didn't try to put the cat back in the bag in 2000 when they had an opportunity to push for a DAL/CMR/ASA merge. It was also ALPA that created the longevity pay-scale concept that prevents good pilots from leaving bad airlines. This is the only industry where experienced professionals are not valued across company lines.

This is not a problem management can fix. The seniority system inherently creates higher-cost airlines as time progresses, so that more recently created airlines have a distinct cost advantage. A 10 year old airline will almost always be able to outbid a 30 year old airline. Pilots get caught in the middle of this ponzi scheme, and it is pure luck if you can make it through your career without your job and barely liveable pay being pulled out from underneath you, forcing you to start over at the bottom yet again. All for the purpose of continuing to subsidize those at the very top of the pyramid.

The worst thing is, there's almost no way of transitioning to a more stable system. So we have to keep relying on luck to protect our own personal careers.

Rocket Science..

Hey GoJet guys, how senior is your pilot group?

We have a seniority list filled with guys who have been here since the 80's all making well over 100k on our 18 year payscale.

If GoJet is able to keep it's pilots happy enough to stay onboard at their current benefits and payscale while we do the same at an additional $30-40 per hour I guess it makes sense that we have been outbid.


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I guess this is how the majors feel when ASA takes their routes.

Spot on fellas!

ASA/XJT/SKW is screwed. Even Air Mekong cut back 1 plane. Our cost structure blows up the regional model and no paycut will fix it. If youre a younger guy, I would wait to see who takes the rest of our planes and abandon ship

 

[RJLoser]

Is truckmasters still in business?

Well played.

 

[Clutch]

Spot on fellas!

ASA/XJT/SKW is screwed. Even Air Mekong cut back 1 plane. Our cost structure blows up the regional model and no paycut will fix it. If youre a younger guy, I would wait to see who takes the rest of our planes and abandon ship

Is that your plan? Will you be turning in your 2 week notice?